Post by isaiah on Nov 24, 2008 16:34:21 GMT -5
~~ Go on to Perfection ~~
So then, what commandments are for those of us in grace? It is the teachings of Jesus Chirst. Did he teach the ten commandments? No. those words are not even mentioned in the NT, not one time. Got to be a reason. Only in the OT three times.
Jesus was giving us laws by which we would perfect our christian life.
We certainly are not murderers. So we do not need a law commanding us not to kill. But we may get into foolish talking at times, as young Christians. So we read, Lay aside foolish talking and jesting. So then we work on that and leave it out of our conversation.
We already have the love for God and others, because of the Holy ghost he has given us. We have the REST to our souls, so no need for a sabbath law.
We are not liars, so we do not need that. We may get some thoughts, at times, which are not Christ centered. So we read that we need to bring every THOUGHT into subjection to Christ. So we pray and work on that, perfecting HOLINESS in the fear of the Lord.
We are taught to study the Word of God, to shew ourselves approved by God. So we study the Word and love it and grow thereby.
We are told not to conform to the world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. So we start changing the way we conduct our lives, and go contary to the ways of the world, Of course, this brings much reproach upon us....but we read that we are to count it a joy that we are worthy so suffer for his name sake. So we joyfully bear the reproach......perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord.
This is a seven-day a week affair....not a one day a week thing. So we need no seventh day sabbath. it does not fit a Christian life.
This is precisely why those still in carnal, dead, and sabbath churches, scoff at the idea of having to dress and act different from the world. They are not under the PERFECTING law. they have NOT yet come to Christ. they do not have the NT Spirit, the Holy Ghost.
so they live carnal lives, thinking that going to church is saving them. such major deception!
We read if you love the world and the things of the world the love of the Father is not in you. So we leave off the things of the world, for we do not love them.
We pray for the sick; heal them. cast out devils. discern spirits. seek for the spiritual gifts. seek for the fruit of the spirit. seek more fullness of faith and holy ghost.
perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord.
THIS IS NT LIVING. THIS IS THE TRUE REST OF GOD. THIS IS THE NT COMMANDS WHICH BRING THE ALREADY CHILD OF GOD, TO PERFECTION.
this is the big difference in living by Grace, NT commandmends, and living by that old law of Moses, by which is only condemnation, for it is not sanctified with the blood of Jesus, and does not give one the HOLY GHOST, BY WHICH WE LIVE HOLY AND HAVE TRUE LOVE.
One is life = grace. the other is death = law.
So why accuse Jesus of being under the condemnation law?
He knew that God's seventh day is when Jesus sits down on his throne to rule, in his place. as our God. So it is not saturday. why would Jesus insinuate that it is?
Think on this and you will see that Jesus was NOT KEEPING A WEEKLY SABBATH. And neither do Holy Ghost filled NT Christians. We only need the REFINING COMMANDMENTS OF GRACE, PERFECTING HOLINESS.
These NT laws are for those who have ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED INTO THE BODY OF CHIST. We do not need the old law of Moses. We are already so far beyond that, it would be no use and unable to bring us on into complete perfection.
After we come to Christ, we no longer need a school master teaching us the basic things. We go on to PERFECTION.
We have entered into the true REST OF GOD, having the Baptism of the holy ghost, by which we rest from our own works and rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ, as God rested from his work, to work no more, after Jesus became our God, to rule on the throne of God.
Let us leave the foundation of baptism, of laying on of hands, and such, and go ON TO PERFECTION.
We read the 'fine tuning' commands of Jesus, and bring our lives into his image, conforming to his teachings. This is why adventist churches, baptist, methodist, etc. do not pray for the sick and heal them...do not speak in tongues....do not discern spirits, ect. they have not yet come into Christ.....so they are still under the CONDEMNATION OF THE OT.
We must be BAPTIZED INTO THE NT, SALVATION. Then we no longer need that old law. we now need the perfecting laws, or teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus needed no law commanding him not to take the name of God in vain. How dare any of you think he did! Same with old sabbath. he knew this:
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
AND.....he knew this:
Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations
He knew the OT law way was an abomination to God.
He knew this:
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
He knew that the New Way of God would bring worshippers to God EVERY SINGLE DAY, FROM ONE SABATH TO ANOTHER, FROM THE OLD SABBATH TO THE NEW SABBATH. yES HE KNEW OF THE NT WAY OF LIFE.
He knew that chapter one of Lam. shows that the old way of life, law, sabbaths etc. were totally abolished by God, and that it is captivity. So why would he go there?
He knew that chapter two of Lam, shows that there was nothing but DEATH to that old covenant way of life.
He knew this:
La 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and SABBATHs to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.
He knew that the LORD had caused the SABBATHS to be forgotten in Zion, and he was in Zion. He knew that God had despised the king and the priest of the OT. so why go there?
and he knew this:
Ho 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.
Yes, Jesus knew enough Scripture to KNOW THAT IT WAS GOD WHO CAUSED HER SABBATHS TO CEASE. So why would Jesus try to bring that back up and attempt to keep it, knowing that God hated it? what are you falsly accusing Jesus of? Think on this.
And believe me, there is many more, just like these, which I could show. but surely, this is enough to any true Child of God. If you reject this much solid truth, you do but hate God's truth. and that is why you are still under that old death condemnation of Moses' law.
Jo Smith
Tweety, do you see now why I said Jesus was NOT KEEPING SOME WEEKLY SABBATH? HE KNEW IT IS NOT OF GOD.
ps. I posted this at the bottom of another thread, but decided that it is such a good message, and needful, I am making a new message of it, on the Grace board.
So then, what commandments are for those of us in grace? It is the teachings of Jesus Chirst. Did he teach the ten commandments? No. those words are not even mentioned in the NT, not one time. Got to be a reason. Only in the OT three times.
Jesus was giving us laws by which we would perfect our christian life.
We certainly are not murderers. So we do not need a law commanding us not to kill. But we may get into foolish talking at times, as young Christians. So we read, Lay aside foolish talking and jesting. So then we work on that and leave it out of our conversation.
We already have the love for God and others, because of the Holy ghost he has given us. We have the REST to our souls, so no need for a sabbath law.
We are not liars, so we do not need that. We may get some thoughts, at times, which are not Christ centered. So we read that we need to bring every THOUGHT into subjection to Christ. So we pray and work on that, perfecting HOLINESS in the fear of the Lord.
We are taught to study the Word of God, to shew ourselves approved by God. So we study the Word and love it and grow thereby.
We are told not to conform to the world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. So we start changing the way we conduct our lives, and go contary to the ways of the world, Of course, this brings much reproach upon us....but we read that we are to count it a joy that we are worthy so suffer for his name sake. So we joyfully bear the reproach......perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord.
This is a seven-day a week affair....not a one day a week thing. So we need no seventh day sabbath. it does not fit a Christian life.
This is precisely why those still in carnal, dead, and sabbath churches, scoff at the idea of having to dress and act different from the world. They are not under the PERFECTING law. they have NOT yet come to Christ. they do not have the NT Spirit, the Holy Ghost.
so they live carnal lives, thinking that going to church is saving them. such major deception!
We read if you love the world and the things of the world the love of the Father is not in you. So we leave off the things of the world, for we do not love them.
We pray for the sick; heal them. cast out devils. discern spirits. seek for the spiritual gifts. seek for the fruit of the spirit. seek more fullness of faith and holy ghost.
perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord.
THIS IS NT LIVING. THIS IS THE TRUE REST OF GOD. THIS IS THE NT COMMANDS WHICH BRING THE ALREADY CHILD OF GOD, TO PERFECTION.
this is the big difference in living by Grace, NT commandmends, and living by that old law of Moses, by which is only condemnation, for it is not sanctified with the blood of Jesus, and does not give one the HOLY GHOST, BY WHICH WE LIVE HOLY AND HAVE TRUE LOVE.
One is life = grace. the other is death = law.
So why accuse Jesus of being under the condemnation law?
He knew that God's seventh day is when Jesus sits down on his throne to rule, in his place. as our God. So it is not saturday. why would Jesus insinuate that it is?
Think on this and you will see that Jesus was NOT KEEPING A WEEKLY SABBATH. And neither do Holy Ghost filled NT Christians. We only need the REFINING COMMANDMENTS OF GRACE, PERFECTING HOLINESS.
These NT laws are for those who have ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED INTO THE BODY OF CHIST. We do not need the old law of Moses. We are already so far beyond that, it would be no use and unable to bring us on into complete perfection.
After we come to Christ, we no longer need a school master teaching us the basic things. We go on to PERFECTION.
We have entered into the true REST OF GOD, having the Baptism of the holy ghost, by which we rest from our own works and rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ, as God rested from his work, to work no more, after Jesus became our God, to rule on the throne of God.
Let us leave the foundation of baptism, of laying on of hands, and such, and go ON TO PERFECTION.
We read the 'fine tuning' commands of Jesus, and bring our lives into his image, conforming to his teachings. This is why adventist churches, baptist, methodist, etc. do not pray for the sick and heal them...do not speak in tongues....do not discern spirits, ect. they have not yet come into Christ.....so they are still under the CONDEMNATION OF THE OT.
We must be BAPTIZED INTO THE NT, SALVATION. Then we no longer need that old law. we now need the perfecting laws, or teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus needed no law commanding him not to take the name of God in vain. How dare any of you think he did! Same with old sabbath. he knew this:
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
AND.....he knew this:
Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations
He knew the OT law way was an abomination to God.
He knew this:
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
He knew that the New Way of God would bring worshippers to God EVERY SINGLE DAY, FROM ONE SABATH TO ANOTHER, FROM THE OLD SABBATH TO THE NEW SABBATH. yES HE KNEW OF THE NT WAY OF LIFE.
He knew that chapter one of Lam. shows that the old way of life, law, sabbaths etc. were totally abolished by God, and that it is captivity. So why would he go there?
He knew that chapter two of Lam, shows that there was nothing but DEATH to that old covenant way of life.
He knew this:
La 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and SABBATHs to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.
He knew that the LORD had caused the SABBATHS to be forgotten in Zion, and he was in Zion. He knew that God had despised the king and the priest of the OT. so why go there?
and he knew this:
Ho 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.
Yes, Jesus knew enough Scripture to KNOW THAT IT WAS GOD WHO CAUSED HER SABBATHS TO CEASE. So why would Jesus try to bring that back up and attempt to keep it, knowing that God hated it? what are you falsly accusing Jesus of? Think on this.
And believe me, there is many more, just like these, which I could show. but surely, this is enough to any true Child of God. If you reject this much solid truth, you do but hate God's truth. and that is why you are still under that old death condemnation of Moses' law.
Jo Smith
Tweety, do you see now why I said Jesus was NOT KEEPING SOME WEEKLY SABBATH? HE KNEW IT IS NOT OF GOD.
ps. I posted this at the bottom of another thread, but decided that it is such a good message, and needful, I am making a new message of it, on the Grace board.