One Mediator

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From: joie Sent: 12/2/2001 1:03 PM
Hello authenticlyaudible,

You are absolutely right that there is only one mediator between us and God. I knew someone would bring this up in this manner.

You are doing some very good teaching. I hope you continue to grow in grace and knowledge of the Word.

True, Jesus is the only mediator between us and God; but notice the message I gave: I did not say that Moses 'mediates' for us. Rather, he now accusses those who reject the N.T. Covenant -= Grace= Jesus = truth.

See, Moses was the mediator for the LAW. He was the 'son' over that O.T. house. But, Moses could not procure 'salvation' for those people. But, he was their mediator; he was the one who had to go to God for those people. When they had a question, a problem, or God was out to destroy them, Moses was the one who interceeded to God for them.

The Law was ordained in the hands of a mediator; and that mediator was Moses. Jesus was not the mediator for the law. Jesus brought us grace and truth = salvation.

You see, if anyone tries to receive justification by anything except pure grace, then they are saying that by their own goodness they can achieve this. But, in coming by pure grace, we admit that we know we ourselves are not good; we ourselves can never do enough works of the law to achieve salvation. Only Jesus could give us this. That is what grace is = the UNMERITED favor of God. See, we do not ---can never deserve this. It is a GIFT from God.

He placed us all on the SAME GROUNDS, Jews, men, women, all nationalities---he concluded us all under sin, that he might have mercy on us all.

There is no difference in people in Christ Jesus. If we try to make it be any other way, we are rejecting Grace, the GIFT of God. Salvation is a GIFT. We can not earn it; we can not deserve it; we can not achieve it; we must accept it as a GIFT . This is what Grace is.

Moses accusses those who still try to abtain any kind of favor with God by the works of the law. That is why I try so hard to show those still trying to keep the law, that they are missing the real thing.

They think this means we just live any old way; but no; out of love and appreciation for what Jesus did for us, we, by his Holy Spirit which he gives us; live a Holy Life.

Jesus is the only mediator for us to God; but Moses was the mediator of the Law Covenant. That does not work for people since Jesus; so Moses, instead of interceeding to God for them, now accuses them.

Thank you for your message.

Jo

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From: joie Sent: 12/2/2001 1:14 PMI want to add this one more thought; for this is of utmost importance to those who think they are still under the law; or must still keep the law.

This thing of the two mediators is another PROOF that you can not have grace and law at the same time. You must come to one or the other. You can not have the law and salvation; for if you go back to the law, then you must also be under the mediator, Moses. Since moses is not 'mediating' now; but accussing, then you make your self be on the outside.

If you come to grace, Jesus is your mediator; therefore, you will have salvation.
Don't you see, that this is proof that you can not mix law and grace? For that means you would have to have Moses and try to also have Jesus mediating to God for you. This can not be. Jesus is the only one mediating to God for anyone now. So, unless you turn the law loose and cleve to grace, then you have Moses accusing you instead of a mediator.

To think your Sabbath Keeping or tithing or any thing else of this nature helps save you, is to put yourself back to the law, back to Moses. See this causes Moses to accuse you to God. This is saying that you think you can be good enough, do good enough to earn salvation. This is a 'slap' in the face of God. For He concluded that we are none of us good. None of us can keep the law. None of us can save or help save ourselves. We must acknowledge that we are unable; that only Jesus is able. To try to go by law, is to deny this.

You can not have Jesus and Moses. Moses is no longer interceeding to God for any one.

Jo

From: joie Sent: 12/3/2001 11:23 AM
Dear Auth.

I have posted many messages on this subject of Sabbath Keeping. I do not have the time now to go back over all that again. If you care to study further on this subject, and have the time, go back to some of the older messages on the board.

I am not saying that to take a 'rest' is out of the question; but the truth of the matter is that is matters not which day you rest on. It matters not, spiritually if you never rest or not. That, my dear is 'grace'.

As long as one tries to keep a 'law', it takes them away from 'grace' ; which is our only means of salvation.

Study Heb. 4---You will find that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is the N.T. rest = the rest to the soul = rest FROM the works of the law. Having to 'rest' on a certain day is works of the law.

If you can find my message I called DAILY , read this: you will find that Jesus worked, taught EVERY DAY. Paul and the others also did this thing. Paul worked just as much on Sat. as on Sun, Mon. etc.

I want to show you and the others that this thing of 'law keeping' was Paul's thorn in the flesh. This thing was so deeply instilled in them, they all had a hard time turning this loose. Remember, they had been brought up under the law; they had kept it all their lives; but, now they are told it is void. They are expected to understand that now, to try to keep law, is to take yourself AWAY from God; not to him.

Also, You must see that Jesus was UNDER THE LAW. GRACE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN IN HIS LIFETIME.

Paul showed on many occasions, at the first, that he still considered the Jews to be God's special people. He and Peter showed that they 'feared' those Jews.

Read Acts 16:3---Paul took Timothy and CIRCUMCISED him BECAUSE OF THE JEWS!!

Later, Paul taught that circumcision and NOTHING. That it actually took them away from Grace. But, you see, at this time, Paul was still thinking He had to please Jews and do things of the law to suit them.

Remember, how he shaved his head, took a vow, and DID THE PURIFYING THING OF THE LAW?

I used to wonder why in the world Paul did these things. I now understand that this was his thorn in the flesh = his LAW MIND. He had to do away with this carnal, law mind. He had to come to understand that MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU. You do not need to do those things. Paul finally learned this, then his books were full of trying to get others away from the law and to grace.

That is why he told the Cor. church "YOUR women cannot teach". What did he back this statement up with? THE LAW. (as also saith the law).

That church had gone back to keeping the law; so this is where they put themselves; back under the O.T. covenant--back to Moses---back to the blood of bulls and goats---they fell from Grace.

Any one who says a woman cannot preach, teach , pastor, anything else, is going back to the law; back to Moses--back to the blood of bulls and goats--they fall from grace---they will cause women to loose out with God---they say God will not give women His word---so women say then why should I study His Word?--and they would be right---they say why pray?---and they would be right---they say God will not give me anything---God will not let me testify----God will not let me try to win souls---I cannot speak God's word---

Now, don't you see where this lie puts women? Totally away from God and salvation.

I tell you in the name of the Lord, it also puts those men who hold this evil over women, it puts them into d**nation also.

If one tries to place a difference of any kind, among people today, they go back to the dead O.T. covenant. If one thinks the Jews are still God's chosen people, they do away with Grace; for the Word clearly teaches that there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus---we are all one = the same.

If one says God sees gender = male and female--and will not use the woman--they become enemy to Grace---they are in defiance of the Word of God--that makes them defiant to God---for God said in Christ there is neither male nor female.

Who do you believe?

Go back to John, after the resurrection; ask yourself, why did both Jesus and the angel wait until AFTER Peter and John had gone BACK TO THEIR OWN HOMES, before revealing to women that Jesus was alive?

Surely you and Tom, and others must know that both that angel and Jesus KNEW THOSE TWO MEN WERE THERE. Surely you must see and know that Jesus knew Peter was there.

Yet, he purposefully waited until AFTER they had gone away, before He spoke to Mary and revealed himself. Jesus commissioned, Mary and the other women to carry the first MESSAGE OF THE RESURRECTION. If this is not the gospel, then please tell me, what the gospel is.

Do you think one has to stand behind a 'pulpit' and screem at people to be called 'preaching'? No!!!

Mary carried that first message; it matters not how she told them. the fact is Jesus told her ---Jesus GAVE HER HIS WORD, HIS MESSAGE OF RESURRECTION AND TOLD HER TO GO TELL MEN.

Now, who is going to accuse Jesus of doing wrong?

Jo
p.s.if you think you cannot teach men, do you not realize that this computer work is read by many men?

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From: joie Sent: 12/3/2001 6:21 PM
As long as you say a woman can not teach a man, you are making a difference, a distinction between men and women in Christ. That is calling the Word a lie which says in Christ there is neither male nor female.

If there is a law in Christ, in Grace, which says a woman may not teach a man, then this would make that word a lie which say in Christ there is neither male nor female. For, then he would be acknowledging a male and female law. See, it can not match the Grace law. The Grace law says we are all one (the same= equel). See, then you do away with Grace and take it back to the law which makes you fall from grace. That is why Paul said I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed labour in vain on you. Why? Because they had gone back to law.

There was no Grace- = no love. Only law. YOUR Woman can not teach because you are back under law.

The Word speaks of many women helping Paul in his ministry. This does not mean they just helped with carnal things; no!! IT says in the ministry.

In Acts 18: 24-26--We find that Aquila and Priscilla took Apollos unto them (them meaning both Aquila and Prisilla (his wife--a woman)---and expounded (explained---=teach)---unto him ( a man)--the way of God more perfectly.

Like it or not, this shows that Priscilla ( a woman) helped teach, teach a man, Apollos.

Romans 16: 3---Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus.
This is Paul's words; he said Priscilla was his helper IN CHRIST JESUS!!!

This means in the work of the Lord.

The Word calls Dorcus (a woman) a disciple. Look up that word, disciple. It means a student studying for the purpose of becoming a teacher.

God only said for women to teach younger women how to love their husbands and take care of their children. But, mind you, this is only pertaining to this life; this carnal, fleshly life. There is certainly a need for this kind of teaching. BUT THIS DOES NOT INTERFER WITH A WOMAN TEACHING THE WORD OF GOD IF GOD TAUGHT HER AND CALLED HER TO DO SO.

He taught me, he called me, he sent me. I obey him; no matter how many ugly men rise up and condemn me. At least, God will not condemn me in that day; for I have obeyed him.

JO
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From: joie Sent: 12/5/2001 11:36 AM
You MEN are what is leading people astray; especially women; you will be responsible for keeping many, many women from knowing God and being what He desired them to be; all because of your arrogrance and refusing to accept the deliverance Jesus bought with His precious blood!!!

I would not want to have to answer to God for all YOUR abominations and standing in the way of God's work being proclaimed by ALL CHRISTIANS; NOT JUST MALE CHRISTIANS!!

You think you are smart; but you are evil and enemies to God and His work.

If God said, your sons and your DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHECY who are you to tell God He cannot give His Daughters His Word to prophecy? What are they to prophecy? Their own thoughts? Or some false teacher's word? No!!! A thousand times no!!!

IF God said His Daughters would prophecy by the Holy Ghost, they will be prophecying God's Word. That means God gave them His word.

Here is what a prophet of God said about this: Jere. 9:20---Yet hear the word of the LORD, O ye WOMEN, and let YOUR EAR RECEIVE THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH, and teach your daughters wailing, and every one her neighbour (neighbour could be either male or female)--lamentation.

Now, are you going to call Jeremiah a liar? He said the women would receive the Word of God's mouth and then teach it.

The Word clearly shows that Pricilla, a woman, helped TEACH Appolos, a man, the Word of God more perfectly.

See, you are out of truth with the Word.

You need to see that it is only those still putting themselves back under law, that were under the command ( a command is a law_) not to teach.

Gal. 5:18---But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW.
Gal. 5:14--For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I see no love in your trying to cut women out of their rightful heritage in Christ.

Now, I want to set the record straight: I, Jo, am not a preacher!!! I have never tried to preach. I do not want to preach. But, if God wanted me to, I certainly could. I have heard some good women preachers; they helped me a lot with their ministry. I say any woman God equips to so do , can preach, teach, or pastor. It is in Christ where there is neither male nor female. You who still distinguish between male and female in Christ, are the ones in error.

I am a God taught and God sent teacher of the Word. God has taught me His word himself;; things I have never heard another soul teach; and it is fully proven by all of the Word.

You can not stop him and you can not tell Him that He cannot use his daughters. You are fighting against God.

You are trying to bring those Jesus set free back into bondage. But, Only those weak in the faith will be swayed by your LACK of understanding the N.T. teachings of Grace. You are still teaching LAW.

Jo

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From: joie Sent: 12/11/2001 11:02 PM When the word is said in the singular as this: sin---it is refering to the sin of unbelief. When it is said in the plual as this: sins---this is refering to the fleshly sins we commit in our body. They are different.Proof:-----John 15:22--If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

Now, think of this a minute--- you know those people he is speaking of had committed sins---even before he came and spoke to them.

v24---If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

See, since Jesus had come and spoken to them and shown them the Father and truth, now they have no cloak (covering) for their sin (unbelif). But, now he has told them of the Father and truth; so they are accountable for believing him.

He came and did the works which only He could have done by the power of the Father; therefore they had seen (understood the Father) and Jesus and hated them both; knowing the truth (this makes them inexcusable)--So this was their sin = not believing after the truth was revealed.

Proof:
John 16:8--And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment;
v9--Of SIN, because they believe not on me...

See, this SIN is shown to be unbelief-----BUT, SINS---IS not the same thing. Those sins of the flesh is NOT unbelief---Proof---Jesus said if he had not come they had not had SIN----BUT THEY STILL HAD SINS.

So the sins is not unbelief. There is a difference. All sin is not unbelief. Unbelief is itself SIN.

You are right about the word evil. When Jesus said, Sufficient for today is the evil thereof, this did not mean 'sin'; it meant the natural needs of that day.

Jo

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From: joie Sent: 12/2/2001 1:31 PM
If Jesus tells someone, anyone his Word, and tells them to go tell it, where do you see any difference in this and what you call preaching? If one received Jesus's Word, this is the Word of God. If he tells anyone to go tell it , this is no different from preaching.

I struggled with this matter for many years. I prayed very much about it. Finally, God showed me that when Paul said for women not to teach men, but to be silent, He said it was according to the LAW.

Each time he spoke this, he took it to LAW. But if you go by this, then you must also go be the fact that by the law, the women could not even go into the same santuary with the men. Why don't they go by that also? If you go by one part of the law, you must go by all of it.

For the churches kept going back to the LAW. Even Paul himself, had trouble with this in the beginning of his Christian life.

Now, if you wish to stay where you can not teach, go ahead. But, for me, I accept the freedom Jesus gave me.

This man, Tom, says God will not even give His word to a women. He says a woman can not even tell a man how to be saved or anything else in this matter. I say Jesus told women to carry a message to his men disciples. That tells me that Jesus gave his word to those women; then told them to go tell it.

Make something different out of this if you wish; I will not. When he told them to go tell it, it is no different from when men today say Jesus told them to go preach. What is the difference?

In Christ there is neither male nor female. When will you all learn what this means?

You are fighting against God.

Jo
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From: joie Sent: 12/10/2001 9:35 PM
Rod, there were many prophetesses in the Word; even in the O.T. A prophetess is a female prophet. Why do you not see something this simple? To say there were only men prophets is like saying there are only men widowers.

Who wrote the book of Ruth? Estor? How do you know that no book was written by women. Anyway that does not matter. People do not always know the truth in this matter. The whole world thinks John the disciple wrote Revelation: but he clearly did not. According to the word of God, John the baptist wrote it.

For proof, read my message on John the baptist.

Pillar, that is very true. That is the whole answer to this matter: no man or woman should speak their own words; we should all speak the words of Jesus; that is the hidden MAN in us speaking.

Jo