The Two Covenants

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From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 1/30/2002 8:45 PM


The Old Testament Covenant had a certain set of laws, priests, prophets, rituals, place of worship, day of worship, and manner of worship. But, all of that was changed when the New Testament Covenant was established. It is of utmost importance to know this and abide by it. They are two completely different Covenants. You cannot belong to and keep both of them at the same time. You must completely leave one and cleave to the other one. They cannot co-exist. So, it very important to understand the differences in these two covenants and then decide which one you will try to abide by.

For the sake of not making this message too long, I will not try to quote all the Scriptures used in it. But will give you Scriptures to study which will make this clear. If you desire truth, study these Scriptures and pray and God will open it up to you.

11Cor. 3:1-18---

v6---Paul says God made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, (meaning the law) but of the spirit (meaning grace): for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Now, if there is no difference in the covenants, why would Paul say they were made ministers of the new testament? Keep in mind , it is not speaking of the Old Testament Scriptures and the New Testament Scriptures. It means the covenants by which we relate to God.

v7---Speaks of the glory of Moses countenance he had when receiving the law; which glory was to BE DONE AWAY.

v9--calls it the ministration of condemnation.

v10 &11--shows that the one remaining was much more glorious.

v14--But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.

v15---But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.

v16--Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.

This shows that until one turns to the Lord, they will have a veil of darkness in their understanding; which means they still believe in keeping the things of the old covenant.

Heb.7: This whole chapter deals with the changing of the old covenant priesthood to the new priesthood of Jesus.

v11---If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedic, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12--For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW.

This is saying that the old testament law does not go with the priesthood of Jesus; he has a new law, the royal law spoken of in James; the law of love.

v14--For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

v18---For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

v19---For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

v22---By so much was Jesus made a surety of a BETTER TESTAMENT.

chp.8:6-13---But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, which was established upon BETTER PROMISES.

v7---For if that first covenant had been FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PLACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND.

Chapter nine tells of the rituals of the old covenant.V8--The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was NOT YET MADE MANIFEST, WHILE AS THE FIRST TABERNACLE WAS YET STANDING.,,,

v10---Which stood only in MEATS AND DRINKS, AND DIVERS WASHINGS, and CARNAL ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

So, this shows that the thing of eating or not eating certain meats, etc, were CARNAL ordinances. To be carnal minded is death; they never had ‘life’ in the O.T. , not the spiritual life Jesus gives us.

v11---But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and MORE PERFECT TABERNACLE, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building.

v15--For this cause he (Jesus) is the mediator of the NEW TESTAMENT, ...... . This is how we receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

chp. 10:1-4---For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually, make the comers thereunto perfect.

v4---For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb.8:13---In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to VANISH AWAY.

Now this is going a long way to prove that the first (old) covenant was done away with. And there are many, many more Scriptures proving this: but, I must shorten this some.

But, you must understand that the old covenant was done away with, to be able to understand the right way to worship God today. This includes circumcision, tithing, Sabbath keeping, killing sheep for sins, an earthly priest to intercede for us, the keeping of holy days, being unable to eat certain meats, having a man-made tabernacle, having the natural Jews as God’s chosen people everything about it.

I will give some more on this subject in the next post.

Jo Smith

[isaiah]

From: joie Sent: 1/30/2002 8:56 PM

I did this study for those of you who desire to learn more about the law, and all it's aspects concerning our walk with God. I suncerely hope this will help all of you.

Gal. 5:14---For ALL the law if fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Gal.4:10---Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

v11--I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

The rest of this chapter shows that the law keepers are the ones after the flesh, the ones persecuting the children of promise, the ones in grace.

Gal 5:18--But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

Gal.3:10-29-- All of this proves the doing away with of the law.

V11----No man is justified by the law.......

v10---As many as are of the works of the law are under the curse... so to try to keep the law, as such, is to be under a curse.

v13---Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.....

Gal.5:1-4---- v4---Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Read Isaiah 1--- In this chapter the old covenant is condemned and the new covenant is taught.

v11---...I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

v13---Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is INIQUITY, even the solemn meeting.

v14---Your new moons and your appointed feast my soul HATETH: .....

Here, God is saying that he hates all the old testament feasts, sabbaths,, the entire way of worship. So, I cannot see why New Testament Christians dote so on going back to those old feasts and Sabbaths , tithing, etc.



Isa.66:3--He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.

This shows a time when the old covenant way of worship would be a total abomination to God. The rest of the chapter shows that the people of faith and an humble heart (new testament Christians) are the ones pleasing God.

So why would anyone in our day want to go back to that??

You that glory in natural Israel, old wailing walls, an old man-made temple, a nation of natural Israel, etc. don’t you see that this is not of God? And the keeping of the O.T. law, any part of it, don’t you see that it is done away with??? That entire way of life was done away with. If you think God will go back to those natural Jews as such, then you would have to also see that in order to do that, he would have to do away with the New Testament Covenant, its laws, way of worship (in spirit and truth) everything about it, (grace), and go back to the Old Testament Covenant, with all its laws, Levitical priesthood, rituals, (which he hated) and everything to do with it? Don’t you see that there is no way that is going to happen?

When you read about future blessings of ‘Israel, Jews, or Jerusalem’ it is talking about the New Testament Christians, the people of faith, the Jew who is one inward, in the heart, the only ones who ever pleased God; the Israel of God.

Every thing with the old testament Jews, their way of life has been done away with forever. I hope this message helps many of you see this important truth. I will do some more messages on the separate parts, such as Sabbath keeping and other things confusing people as a follow-up of this message.

God bless all who read this.

Jo

[isaiah]

From: joie Sent: 1/30/2002 9:39 PM
A close study of Hebrews will help open this subject up to you, and give an understanding of these matters.

It is a known fact, both in life, and in the Scriptures, that if one makes a will -- or testemant -- or covennant -- - and then, makes a different one --- the second one disanulls, or makes void, the first one.

Hebrews is dealing mostly with the two covenants God made with humanity; (we call them the O.T. & the N.T.)

Both covenants were sanctified by blood. Without the shedding of blood, is no remission of sins.

Heb. 9:1-10---shows how the first covenant was operated; that it was only a figure for the time then present. It shows that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while the first tabernacle was standing. This means, the second, or Grace, could not be placed, as long as the first, or Law was standing. So, if LAW is standing in your life, you cannot come to Grace. You must be dead to the law, to be married to Christ.

v11--But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a GREATER AND MORE PERFECT TABERNACLE, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building:

v12---Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us.

v15--And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament....

v17--For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

(this is saying, a will, or testament, is not put in force, until the one making the will dies.)

v18--Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. v19--For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the LAW, he took the blood of CALVES AND OF GOATS, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people.

v20--Saying, This is the blood of the TESTAMENT which God hath enjoined unto you.

v21--Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

People, this proves that the first testament, or O.T. covenant, was sanctified by the blood of calves and of goats. Everything, used in those services, which represented our bodies as temples of the Holy Ghost, the book, the tabernacle and all vessels were sprinkled by that blood. But, that blood could never take away their sins.

God said this is the testament placed on those people. When Moses read them any part of the LAW, he sprinkled it with blood; showing that this law covenant was only sanctified by the blood of animals. Now, surely, you know that the Sabbath law, of which so many have disputed in this community, was a part of that LAW; IT WAS SURELY WRITTEN ON THOSE TWO STONES.

So, this proves that the Sabbath day keeping of the O.T. was part of that sanctified by animal blood.

v23--It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things (the O.T. rituals, were only patterns) in the heavens should be purified with these (blood of goats)-- ; but the heavenly things THEMSELVES with better sacrifices than these.

v28--So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

People, Jesus died, his blood was shed to be the offering for our sins; that he would be the mediator of the N.T. Covenant; his blood is what sanctifies this covenant.

So, don't you see, that to go back to the LAW, is to go back to the O.T. Covenant; and that this places you back under the blood of bulls and goats? If that is the blood which sanctifies that covenant, then you place yourself under that blood, if you go back to the LAW.

That is precisley what this scripture said Moses sprinkled every thing about the law with when he read it to the people or did anything about the service under the law. So, how could anyone go back to it, any part of it, without putting themselves back under that blood? You can not do it. If you go back to keeping the LAW, you go back to the blood of bulls and goats. This is doing dispite to the blood of Jesus. This is the unforgivable sin.

To go back and sin willfully after having known the truth = Jesus.

Jo

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From: Barbie557 Sent: 2/9/2002 9:12 PM
Tzi and Malone

Why did Isaiah and the writter of Hebrews call it a new covenant it it were only an extention of the old? Jesus said, not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass till it's all fulfilled. You accept Jesus as your High Priest so the law of the priesthood has passed. If this one part of the law has been fulfilled and passed, it has all been fulfilled and passed, or you make Jesus a lier.
The law of faith has nothing to do with the law of Moses, other than, the complete law of Moses is fulfilled in it, including the 10 commandments. As Jesus said, on these two commandments hangs all the law and prophets.
Sin was in the world before the law. The law came 430 years after Abraham. Sin came through Adam. God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I don't remember this being one of the 10 commandments, it wasn't, Adam transgressed the spoken word of God. Sin is also the transgression of the law, but sin was here before the law.
Abraham kept His commandments and precepts by keeping every spoken word of God, even to being willing offer his son Isaac. Any spoken word of God is law, because it cannot change, it is the final authority. That's why it took the death of Christ to bring an end to the first covenant. We are dead to the law by the death of Christ that we can be married to another, even Him who is risen from the dead.

Ekklesia

The covenant was to Abraham's seed, which is Christ. If we are in Christ, then we are Abraham's seed. Abraham had two seeds, one of the flesh and one of the promise. The law was given to the flesh seed of Abraham, those in Christ are of the promise and are heirs of God through Christ.

Barbara

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The whole world is in for a shock, when the real truth is finally revealed.

Romans 3:20--Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
v21--But now the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.

v27--Where is boasting then? It is EXCLUDED. By what law? or works? NAY: but by the LAW of faith.

They did not know that there are two laws.

From: joie Sent: 1/26/2002 7:36 PM
Dear Candlelight,
I am afraid you have something very mixed up. Maybe you should go and study all of Paul's writings before you try to teach. For God will not hold one guiltless who leads souls astray.

In the first place, we do not just 'change' our 'thinking'' Jesus makes us a New Creation. In Christ Jesus we become a new creation; all old things pass away; and all things become new. Sounds like 'new age junk' to me.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The fear of the Lord is to HATE iniquity. Jesus loved righteousness and hated iniquity. If we become Christians, we too, then love righteousness and HATE iniquity. We do not see it as a 'treat' we would like to have; but know it is not good for us. Foolishness!!!

Paul clearly teaches that to go back to the law is to fall from grace. They CANNOT CO-EXIST. All the law lovers in the world will never make it true. If a law could have been given which given life, then verily life should have come by the law.

Jesus did not die on the cross to give us life by faith in him; then go back and say now you still have to come into the law to find grace or salvation. Then why die? He already had given the law; it had SAVED NO ONE. IT NEVER WILL/. THEN WHY DO WE STILL NEED IT? It cannot help Jesus save us.

Better give this another study.

You are the one teaching error.

Jo