The Two Witnesses

[Jo Smith]

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 7/22/2001 11:16 AM
The word plainly tells that the first church, started on the day of Pentecost was the first witness. The word says we are all one. God sees us as one unit. There are many scriptures in Acts calling them witnesses of God. They were witnesses of God's love, grace, mercy, salvation. That powerful church witnessed on earth for the first 1260 days (years). That church was destroyed by the whore church, the power, and truth thrown down to the ground, and trodden under foot for the 42 months. That was the dark age’s period.

According to Zech. 4, the two anointed ones stood one on the left side of the 7 lamp stands, which was the 7 churches in Rev. The other olive tree or candlestick, stood on the right side of that lamp stand. This means that time wise, one came before the 7 churches; the other one came after those 7 churches.

According to Joel 2, there were to be two baptisms. One, to all flesh, was the baptism of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost. The other was only to his servants and handmaids. This was the baptism of Fire. This is yet to be. This will anoint the second witness with power from on high, for the purpose of bringing the Wrath of the Lamb (Psm 149).

No where in God's word does he show that he ever brings back folks who have already gone on, and reuses them on this earth. That is just not true. Moses has already died once. So, he will not come back here and die again. Elijah was carried to heaven alive, so as not to see death. God is not going to undo that. The 'witnesses' are laying dead in the spiritual streets now. One day is as a thousand years to God. That is why we cannot understand his timing. The second witness is to witness of God's wrath, his judgment on sin. Both witnessed of his power but in a different capacity.

This is a long subject, so I will expound on it more later.

Jo and Wanna

[Jo Smith]

I do not see the witnesses as supernatural beings. You know the first church (the ones with Peter and Paul) that group, was the first of the two witnesses. They witnessed the power and love of God to the whole world. But, they were just ordinary people like you and me.

That is how it will be with the second witness. That group of people will witness the power and wrath of God as they bring an end to the evil on this earth. That group of witnesses will receive the Baptism of Fire; the fire is the power of God to bring judgement.

The first church received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost for the purpose of bringing salvation and love to the world

God said he would annoint his two witnesses with power from on high. These two baptisms were that source of power.

[Jo Smith]

From: P-r-a-y (Original Message) Sent: 7/12/2001 2:01 PM
Many today acknowledge being Christians, But while our Savior was here on Earth His followers were disciples. The disciples were disciplined. Jesus said, if you continue in My word then are ye my disciples indeed. What has happened, where are the disciples today? I think it would be interesting to start a study on this. We can begin by listing verse we know of that show characteristics or requirements of a disciple. Then together we can make a study to help others understand the requirements.

I think we can all grow from this.

I will start the list with the verse which may be why the disciples of Jesus the Christ are so unheard of:

Luke 14:33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."


From Me"
From: joie Sent: 7/12/2001 4:08 PM
Ray

This is a great line of study; and so very needful. I was thinking along these same lines this very morning.

I say sanctification is the place where too many stop and will not go on with God. They do not want to live a Holy Life. God said be ye Holy for I am Holy. He said we must sanctify our whole body, soul, and mind. We must serve God with our whole heart, soul, body, mind, and strength.

John 17:17---Sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth.

We need to go by the word as to what is Holy. To be carnally minded is death.

To be spiritually minded is life. So, we must keep our minds stayed on Jesus.

Without Holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

I believe T.V. is one of the most damning things in the earth today. It is a tool of Satan that People have brought into their homes and robbed them of time with God, their children and put evil into their minds. God will punish this nation for this evil.

I believe T.V. has to be put away, before one can keep a spiritual mind. God told me to tell people to set them in their yards and burn them for a witness to him. Then they will begin to see his power come to them. I have not had one in my home since 1966.

God bless you.

JO

[Jo Smith]

From: Wanna Sent: 7/12/2001 6:11 PM
Ray,

Acts 9:36 Tells about a woman disciple named Tabitha who was full of good works and alms deeds. So I see that to be a disciple we must be willing to give of ourselves to help others, whether it be by work of our hands or our substance. I geuss so many today arent willing to take the time out of thier busy day to help people or they are to stingy with their money to give to someone in need. Most people I know go to church and pay a tithe and think thats all they need to do.

We need to be willing to help people we know are in need whether it be with our money or labor.

Wanna

From: joie Sent: 7/12/2001 9:49 PM
praise the Lord for such glory!!!

It really makes us know we should do good works. God must really love someone who does that kind of things.

Just think, he raised her from the dead because of this!! This is awsome!!! We need to get BUSY.





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From: P-r-a-y Sent: 7/13/2001 3:27 AM
Thank you one and all for your comments, and please continue to do so.

Thank you Ekklesia for the kind greeting and hello to you.

The Ecclesia, the called out ones, another character of a disciple. One who hears the word of God and follows. "Follow me (Jesus) and I (Jesus) will make you fishers of men".

A disciple sits at the Master's feet, and receives instruction from God. They suffer the humiliation of a servant with a noble heart.

When we walk in the spirit, we walk in heavenly realms where there is neither male or female, only the Lord and that perfect peace that only comes when we know these things and do them.

Truly we have been adopted into a Holy Priesthood. In this earthly realm we are limited by the physical. We are held in time. At the end of the age time will be no more, gender will be done away with. We will be one.

I wonder, do you think it might be, that we will discover, that we were always there???

[Jo Smith]

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/9/2001 9:36 PM
Psalm 149




1. Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.


2. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.


3. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.


4. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.


5. Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.


6. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;


7. To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;


8. To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;


9. To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.




This chapter in Psalm is the commission from God to the second witness. This beautiful, Holy Book is so much more than any one could ever realize

For those of you wishing to do an indepth study on the ministry of the second witness, take this chapter and study it with these Scriptures: With God's help, I will do small studies on each of these in the next few days.

Joel 2

Isa. 13 and cp 33

Rev. 9 and 11

Zech. 4

And of course, these are many more; but these chapters all deal with the ministry of this witness.

Look back at Psalm 149:5, let the saints be joyful...

6---let the praises of God be in their mouth, and a TWOEDGED SWORD in their hand....

Now, why the sword in their hand?

v7---to execute VENGEANCE upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

v8---to bind their kings and nobles

v9---to execute upon them the judgment written.

Who? Who will do this?

ALL HIS SAINTS!

Yes, people, all God's saints will do this judgment ministry. The Baptism of Fire will equip us for that job. Nothing, I mean NOTHING will be able to stand before these powerful, annointed people; the saints of God.

This, that first witness of God did not do. It was not time. That is our job; to bring the wrath of the Lamb upon this ungodly world. To do away with the sinners out of the earth. Then we will rule the world in peace, with the rod of iron, for the full 1,000 years; still in this mortal body.

Glory to our Great God.

Jo, one of them

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 8/14/2001 2:25 PM

Most people are in total confusion about these things. Two nights ago, I had really been praying for God to take me deeper into the word. As I was praying and mediating, God said to me "thousand does not mean numbers". Well, I knew that God had said it to me. As always, when he tells me something I seek for proof in the Word. I asked Him, then what does it mean to you.

I looked up 'thousand' in the Hebrew dictionary. It showed that this word's original meaning was not a number, but it meant to learn, then to teach, utter. It meant the mother, the bond of the family; it meant the ox head, which it said, was the first letter of their alphabet. The 'ox' is the first stage of Christian experience; the first head of the four faced living creature.

Then, I looked up twelve; this has almost the same meaning; not a number. Then, cubic, this also meaning the same thing. Year also has this kind of meaning; so does, day, time, and month.

So, then the next night, the Lord kept me awake almost all night showing me things I had never known before.

The 'thousand' years is not refering to a certain number of years. It is a condition of a certain time. The 144,000 does not mean that many people. The 12,000 sealed does not mean that many people. It has not one thing to do with 'how many'. Twelve means, in the Hebrew tongue of the Scriptures, to double, and other things I will not take the space to type here. You look these things up, and study it.

12 x 12 gives the 144. This is doubling it. The description of the Holy City shows the gates to have on them the names of the 12 tribes of Israel; not the natural people, but the true people of God; from all nations.

The 12 foundations has the names of the 12 apostles; this means they laid the foundation; the new testament teachings. All of the true Christians are in this City.

The walls of 144cubics. But this, is not a distance measure. It is made up of all God's people. It said the height and breath are equeal = 4 square; but this is not showing arctecture; it shows that the o.t. and n.t. saints are all there as part of this Holy City.

The 144,000 is not how many; it shows that after he sealed those teachers (the 12,000 from each tribe) the great multitude, of Rev.7:9 came in. He said they were from ALL nations, kindreds, peoples, and tongues. Every one of them; this includes the natural Jews and everyone else. This is all of God's people from the beginning with Eve.

The 1,000 years is also not a certain number of years. I will go into this in another message.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

From: chaztwoblade (Original Message) Sent: 8/12/2001 10:54 PM
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
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When reading the scriptures one could easily interpret that when the word is referring to the 144000 it means

Rev 7:4 ........ four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.



For later in the chapter it refers to the 12 tribes of Isreal by Name . This is a fair interpretation indeed if we use this logic then we have to understand the standing of the 144000 to Christ




Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


Redeemed from among men

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


The 144000 are the FIRSTFRUITS of ALL MANKIND these are the very first of Gods Harvest the Best chosen and given to the Lord.


Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth


They follow Christ whereever he goes only they have this right as scripture teaches


Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand


They also sing a song that No man can learn other than themselves

The 144000 Are the very servants of Christ sanctified for Holy service to the Lord It seems very clear and cut out the translation as being indeed a group off Natural Jews who are Born through natural blood lineage that have this priviledge I would agree with this if It didnt interfere with Christ's sayings and His very mention of the selection process


Mar 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, [the same] shall be last of all, and servant of all


Jesus in this very scripture gives the selection process to all mankind by saying

Mar 9:35 .......ANY MAN desire to be first


Mar 10:31 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last first.


Christ even suggests that within this selection those who were chosen first would in the end be last this is a general statement across the board wether it be for culture or ones walk with the Lord.

Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.


Even in the selection for greatness in Gods kingdom Christ said it was For all of Mankind note in this statement

Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this LITTLE CHILD,



Christ in referring to LITTLE CHILD as being great in the Kingdom gives greatness to all of the Children in the world note it isnt said the greatest would be ALL THE ISREALITE CHILDREN OF NATURAL BIRTH


Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren


Luk 8:20 And it was told him [by certain] which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.


Christ calls all THOSE THAT DO THE WORD his Family

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.



Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all


Paul even agrees with Christ statements as all the scriptures above undoubtably prove. Lets be sensible here in interpreting the 144000 literally you have all seperated this chioce by blood lineage saying to all that the most important position given to the Saints will only be given to those of Blood lineage as the rest are restricted because of thier birth. This is against all the Fundermental teachings of Scripture. It is much more easier to explain the rest of the revelation scripture as Us the Human race being all the 12 tribes of Isreal than leaving the interpretation only to those of natural Birth mind this statement as I feel that would be a bigoted reasoning neglecting all the righteous that are deserving from the other races

Chaz