Post by Jo Smith on Nov 24, 2008 21:34:26 GMT -5
~~ Emmanuel ~~
This is something God revealed to me over 20 years ago. I did not ever try to teach it to people outside of my own family; for I knew they could never accept such a thing. But I saw on one of the boards where someone has looked into this Scripture and seen a portion of this truth , and are using it to deny the virgin birth of Jesus. So, in the face of this misunderstanding I will tell you the truth of the Scripture in Isa. 7:10-17. This person did not get the full meaning of this Scripture, and therefore they are misusing it. As I know many of you are on more than one board, as I am, I want to show you the truth of this.
You will read the fulfillment of that prophecy in Isa. 8:1-15. This prophecy in Isa. 7:14---Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel, was fulfilled in Isa. 8. Isaiah was told to take a great roll, and write in it with a man’s pen, concerning Mahershalalhashbaz. v2---And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.
v3---And I went unto the prophetesss; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz. Many think this was Isaiah’s son, but notice, it did not ever say she bear him a son; just said - she bear a son. He is never called Isaiah’s son.
v4---For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the King of Assyria.
V 8--Shows that this will be fulfilled within 65 years of that time this is spoken; so this had to be fulfilled back there then.
Isa.7:15,16---Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
This shows that in THEIR day, a virgin born son would still be a baby, not knowing how to say, My father and my mother, also before this child knew to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that Ahaz hated would be forsaken of her king. This happened BACK there in their day; not way down in the day of Jesus.
God has a law that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established. He himself never deviates from that law.
Some prophecies are fulfilled more than once. Example, when God said, Out of Egypt have I called my Son. It is said that that was fulfilled when Israel came out of Egypt with Moses, but God said later it was fulfilled when Mary and Joseph brought Jesus out of Egypt back to their homeland. So, the coming out of Egypt by Moses typed the coming out by Jesus; thus the prophecy has a two-fold meaning, reaching to Jesus.
That is what happened here.
There were TWO virgin born sons. Maherslalalhashbaz was the one prophecied in Isa. 7. He is the one who was the sign to Ahaz. The one who would not know to cry, my father or mother before the King of Assyria came and took away their riches. This child is also called Immanuel. And it is proven to mean God with us. Read Isa, 8: 10--(speaking to them back in Ahaz’s day, ) “Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand, for God is with us.
Notice, it did not say that Isaiah ‘went in unto’ the prophetess, which would have meant he had intercourse with her. But, it said he went unto her. That means he only went to where she was. Now, WHY would he take faithful witnesses to record this event, IF he were going to have intercourse with her?
NO!! This was a virgin born son. The first ‘witness’ of this happening. It does not say, as with Mary, that the Holy Ghost overshadowed her, or that the Power of the Highest came on her. This was a ‘spoken’ word conception. That is why the faithful witnesses were there: to prove that it was done by only speaking the word to her. The Word of God caused her to conceive, to fulfill his word to Ahaz. It is also a type of the Word in us causing the spiritual conception for us to bring forth Christ in us.
This first virgin born son was Mahershalalhashbaz. He is the other witness that virgin birth did happen. Those witnesses were there to verify to King Ahaz that Isaiah had not touched her. All knew she was a virgin. This is why she was chosen for this. But, this prophecy is also for our Lord Jesus. Just as the one about out of Egypt have I called my son pertained to him.
This is how precise God is. In the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established. God did not let his Word go unfulfilled that he would show this with at least two witnesses. So, instead of denying the virgin birth of Jesus, this all the more establishes it. Glory to God!!!
The prophecy concerning Jesus is in Isa. 9:6-- But, the other prophecy also pertains to Jesus. Both prophecies show the virgin birth of Jesus; being even more confirmed by the fact that two were virgin born. One by the spoken word; the other by the Spirit. The same way we are spiritually ‘born again’. The word and the spirit.
There were two virgin born sons; but Mahershalalhashbaz was only a type for Christ. That is why no more is said about him in the Word.
He had to be, to show Ahaz that God fulfilled His word to Ahaz. But, Jesus is the fulfillment of it to us.
I am glad for an opportunity to finally tell the world about this.
May God bless you all with this message.
That message above was written by me around two years ago. Tonight, March 4, 2003, I am going to add this part below. This is the part which only recently been revealed to me. This is the part I wanted to put on the board at this time to help clear up the message about Jesus not being God. When I wrote the above part, Build on the True Foundation did not even exist.
As I tried to go to sleep tonight, this message came into my mind. At first I did not want to post this. But then I decided it was the thing to do. I know for sure that unless God really speaks to your mind and heart, you will reject this message. But I feel I must share it anyway.
Now if you take the time to read Ias. 9: 6 you will see it does not mention the virgin birth. It says: for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of Peace.
v7--Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice form henceforth even for ever.
Now I know everyone thinks this is Mary’s Son, Jesus. But I will show you it is NOT. And herein lies the confusion and misunderstanding of the Word of God.
This is speaking of the resurrected Jesus. He is the one who will sit on the throne of David forever, not the flesh man, Jesus, for that man died. The resurrected Christ is the one called our God, our Father, the everlasting Father (he will forever be our Father), he is our peace. This resurrected Son is the one who will bring the judgment; not the flesh man born to Mary. He said himself he did not bring judgment.
I had meant to only do this part as a new message; but now feel it best to just add this to the first part of Immanuel.
Now, you are going to have to take this message real slow; take it a bit at a time; compare it slowly with these Scriptures and pray for truth.
Now let’s look at Matt. 1: 18. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25. And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Verse 18--Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost before she and Joseph came together. So this proves the Holy Ghost is responsible for Jesus being in Mary’s womb; not Joseph.
v20 also says this, that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
V21--She shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Now this does NOT say this child or this name is Emmanuel; nor does it say this child is God with us.
Now just hold on and read this slowly. I know everything taught us makes us think this is the answer. I also thought so until God revealed this to me a few days ago. So I understand your getting upset at this. But let it have time to ‘digest’.
Notice it is finished speaking now of Mary birthing her son, Jesus. This child, even though he was placed in her womb by the working of the Holy Ghost, he is still a full human being, having come from the seed of Abraham and David through Mary and this working of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit did not place into this conception the nature of God. He did not place the Holy Ghost into this child here. He only quickened her seed and made life come from it. This life was not God. It was a man.
Now here is the secret. Read verse 22 carefully. 22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
All what? All of the above from verse 18 down through verse 21. All of that was done, Mary conceiving a child and then giving birth to a human child for a purpose. What was that purpose?
Cont. Please read part two.
Jo Smith
This is something God revealed to me over 20 years ago. I did not ever try to teach it to people outside of my own family; for I knew they could never accept such a thing. But I saw on one of the boards where someone has looked into this Scripture and seen a portion of this truth , and are using it to deny the virgin birth of Jesus. So, in the face of this misunderstanding I will tell you the truth of the Scripture in Isa. 7:10-17. This person did not get the full meaning of this Scripture, and therefore they are misusing it. As I know many of you are on more than one board, as I am, I want to show you the truth of this.
You will read the fulfillment of that prophecy in Isa. 8:1-15. This prophecy in Isa. 7:14---Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel, was fulfilled in Isa. 8. Isaiah was told to take a great roll, and write in it with a man’s pen, concerning Mahershalalhashbaz. v2---And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.
v3---And I went unto the prophetesss; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz. Many think this was Isaiah’s son, but notice, it did not ever say she bear him a son; just said - she bear a son. He is never called Isaiah’s son.
v4---For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the King of Assyria.
V 8--Shows that this will be fulfilled within 65 years of that time this is spoken; so this had to be fulfilled back there then.
Isa.7:15,16---Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
This shows that in THEIR day, a virgin born son would still be a baby, not knowing how to say, My father and my mother, also before this child knew to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that Ahaz hated would be forsaken of her king. This happened BACK there in their day; not way down in the day of Jesus.
God has a law that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established. He himself never deviates from that law.
Some prophecies are fulfilled more than once. Example, when God said, Out of Egypt have I called my Son. It is said that that was fulfilled when Israel came out of Egypt with Moses, but God said later it was fulfilled when Mary and Joseph brought Jesus out of Egypt back to their homeland. So, the coming out of Egypt by Moses typed the coming out by Jesus; thus the prophecy has a two-fold meaning, reaching to Jesus.
That is what happened here.
There were TWO virgin born sons. Maherslalalhashbaz was the one prophecied in Isa. 7. He is the one who was the sign to Ahaz. The one who would not know to cry, my father or mother before the King of Assyria came and took away their riches. This child is also called Immanuel. And it is proven to mean God with us. Read Isa, 8: 10--(speaking to them back in Ahaz’s day, ) “Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand, for God is with us.
Notice, it did not say that Isaiah ‘went in unto’ the prophetess, which would have meant he had intercourse with her. But, it said he went unto her. That means he only went to where she was. Now, WHY would he take faithful witnesses to record this event, IF he were going to have intercourse with her?
NO!! This was a virgin born son. The first ‘witness’ of this happening. It does not say, as with Mary, that the Holy Ghost overshadowed her, or that the Power of the Highest came on her. This was a ‘spoken’ word conception. That is why the faithful witnesses were there: to prove that it was done by only speaking the word to her. The Word of God caused her to conceive, to fulfill his word to Ahaz. It is also a type of the Word in us causing the spiritual conception for us to bring forth Christ in us.
This first virgin born son was Mahershalalhashbaz. He is the other witness that virgin birth did happen. Those witnesses were there to verify to King Ahaz that Isaiah had not touched her. All knew she was a virgin. This is why she was chosen for this. But, this prophecy is also for our Lord Jesus. Just as the one about out of Egypt have I called my son pertained to him.
This is how precise God is. In the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established. God did not let his Word go unfulfilled that he would show this with at least two witnesses. So, instead of denying the virgin birth of Jesus, this all the more establishes it. Glory to God!!!
The prophecy concerning Jesus is in Isa. 9:6-- But, the other prophecy also pertains to Jesus. Both prophecies show the virgin birth of Jesus; being even more confirmed by the fact that two were virgin born. One by the spoken word; the other by the Spirit. The same way we are spiritually ‘born again’. The word and the spirit.
There were two virgin born sons; but Mahershalalhashbaz was only a type for Christ. That is why no more is said about him in the Word.
He had to be, to show Ahaz that God fulfilled His word to Ahaz. But, Jesus is the fulfillment of it to us.
I am glad for an opportunity to finally tell the world about this.
May God bless you all with this message.
That message above was written by me around two years ago. Tonight, March 4, 2003, I am going to add this part below. This is the part which only recently been revealed to me. This is the part I wanted to put on the board at this time to help clear up the message about Jesus not being God. When I wrote the above part, Build on the True Foundation did not even exist.
As I tried to go to sleep tonight, this message came into my mind. At first I did not want to post this. But then I decided it was the thing to do. I know for sure that unless God really speaks to your mind and heart, you will reject this message. But I feel I must share it anyway.
Now if you take the time to read Ias. 9: 6 you will see it does not mention the virgin birth. It says: for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of Peace.
v7--Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice form henceforth even for ever.
Now I know everyone thinks this is Mary’s Son, Jesus. But I will show you it is NOT. And herein lies the confusion and misunderstanding of the Word of God.
This is speaking of the resurrected Jesus. He is the one who will sit on the throne of David forever, not the flesh man, Jesus, for that man died. The resurrected Christ is the one called our God, our Father, the everlasting Father (he will forever be our Father), he is our peace. This resurrected Son is the one who will bring the judgment; not the flesh man born to Mary. He said himself he did not bring judgment.
I had meant to only do this part as a new message; but now feel it best to just add this to the first part of Immanuel.
Now, you are going to have to take this message real slow; take it a bit at a time; compare it slowly with these Scriptures and pray for truth.
Now let’s look at Matt. 1: 18. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25. And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Verse 18--Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost before she and Joseph came together. So this proves the Holy Ghost is responsible for Jesus being in Mary’s womb; not Joseph.
v20 also says this, that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
V21--She shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Now this does NOT say this child or this name is Emmanuel; nor does it say this child is God with us.
Now just hold on and read this slowly. I know everything taught us makes us think this is the answer. I also thought so until God revealed this to me a few days ago. So I understand your getting upset at this. But let it have time to ‘digest’.
Notice it is finished speaking now of Mary birthing her son, Jesus. This child, even though he was placed in her womb by the working of the Holy Ghost, he is still a full human being, having come from the seed of Abraham and David through Mary and this working of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit did not place into this conception the nature of God. He did not place the Holy Ghost into this child here. He only quickened her seed and made life come from it. This life was not God. It was a man.
Now here is the secret. Read verse 22 carefully. 22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
All what? All of the above from verse 18 down through verse 21. All of that was done, Mary conceiving a child and then giving birth to a human child for a purpose. What was that purpose?
Cont. Please read part two.
Jo Smith