Word Flesh

[Jo Smith]

Luke 4:4-------Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

John 6:27---Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

v33---For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Here we see that ‘meat’ and ‘bread’ in the word are synomous. Jesus said he gives life unto the world. So, that is showing some ‘life’ other than the life we are born with. For we already have that.

V35-And Jesus said I am the bread of life

v50--This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. This makes it look like he means his death; but it means he gave us his words. His words give us eternal life. His death paid the debt for our sins.

V63--It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life.

Study this chapter carefully. It is wonderful.

To the unlearned, it looks like doubletalk, because it is spiritual. First, Jesus said the bread is my flesh you have to eat to live eternally. They get a picture of having to take a bite off his arm etc. Many left him over this, because they did not understand spiritual talk.

Then he says the flesh profiteth nothing. Now it looks like he reversed what he had just said, that his flesh gave them eternal life. And that is nothing? Woe, here. What is he saying??? Well, let’s look at it.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the words that I speak are spirit and they are life.

So there, we have it. The WORDS he spoke ----that is spirit-------that is life-------the Word was made flesh---- now it begins to come together... The Word is flesh, but not the body of clay he stood there in. See it??? I hope so. May God help all who read this to receive this great revelation.

v53----Except ye EAT the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his blood, ye have no life in you.

Take a bite of his arm?Take a sip of his blood, out of his arm? No Noo No!!!

That is what the carnal mind thinks. But he said the WORDS I speak , that is what I am telling you to eat and drink. How do we eat that??? By studying and receiving the engrafted Word. The truth of it.

So this proves it is not talking of the fleshly body of Jesus. When it says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, it is talking about the same kind of flesh Jesus said here we were to eat and drink. See it does not mean the man that he was, but the Words, the Spirit in him. The Word became flesh=(words we can take into our souls and live=eternal life---not temperal life) We are still to eat the same flesh today that they ate back then. Do we have the man Jesus here, now to take a bite of, if it means his literal body. But see, he made it plain that he spoke of the message he brought to earth. The word of God.


I know most people (including me) do not like long posts. But it is impossible to teach something like this in a short space. Please bear with it. It is worth it.

For this is one of the most misunderstood passages in the Book. And the most important one. For unless you get this right all your understanding will be messed up from now on.

The Words I speak are spirit and they are life. Unless ye eat my flesh, you have no life in you. The word was made flesh. But not carnal flesh. Not flesh that could die. This flesh (spirit---word) was eternal life. Can never die. Praise our glorious God and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord.

Jesus said pray, “give us this day our daily BREAD.. Now, what was he talking about??? Is he saying to pray for food for our bellies? No. He is speaking of the Words = revelation of God’s Word.

So, we are to receive something fresh out of God’s Word each day. To grow thereby. Grow in grace and KNOWLEDGE of the Word. Without it, there is no growth.

But, back to our original thought. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out the mouth of God. Is he saying as most people think that we are not to live only by our daily food we eat at our table? No, he is saying we will not have eternal merely by the daily portion of Word we receive.. We must finally get to every word. Understand the whole truth.

11Thes.2:10-12----because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie; That they all might be d**ned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

He that endureth unto the end shall be saved. Receive Word each day till you understand and believe all the truth or else be d**ned. He that putteth his hand to the plough and looketh back is not fit for the kingdom of God.

I hear so many people who think it does not matter if they see it right or not, ------folks, do not be deceived by this misconcept. unless you believe the TRUTH you will BELIEVE A lie and be d**ned. So it is clear that believing it wrong =(a lie) will d**n you. Please, don’t take getting the truth lightly. Your soul depends on it.

That is what Jesus meant “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

When he said the Word became flesh and dwelt among, it is not talking about the man Christ Jesus; it is saying Mary conceived in her womb, by the Holy Ghost a human person, Jesus made of a woman, made under the law, made of the seed of David, made in all points like unto his brethern, tempted in all points like unto his brethern, but, the Word that was flesh was the words that was spirit the message inside him. That fleshly man was not that word . The word inside him was. Jesus , the man, had a mind of his own the was subject to sin and be disobedient just as Adam. Just as we do. He could have sinned, he could have disobeyed, he could have failed, but he did not. If he had the word of God would have gone back to God, and our creation would have been lost eternally. But, that kinsman redeemer is still a man, a glorified Son in Heaven. He ever lives to make intercession to God for us.

I used little children for these messages: for Jesus said we must become as little children to enter into His Kingdom.

God help us to do so.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

The word ‘FLESH’ has been so misunderstood in the Word of God, that it is causing many to completely miss the true meaning about one of the most important things in all the Word.

This verse, 1Tim.3:16--- is one of those teachings being twisted out of its real meaning by misunderstanding this word ‘flesh’, in it’s Scriptual meaning.

To really understand what is meant by this verse you must first find out what God meant by ‘flesh’. In order to do this, read Romans 8:9----But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you....

Now, it said you are not in the FLESH if Christ be in you. So, is this saying you are not in your human body?? No! Of course not! So what does it mean? Remember, you must find Scriptual answers; Scriptual meanings.

John 6:53---Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his BLOOD, ye have no life in you.

v54---Whoso eateth my FLESH, and DRINKETH my BLOOD, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day..

v55---For my FLESH is MEAT indeed, and my BLOOD is DRINK indeed.

v56---He that EATETH my FLESH, and drinketh my BLOOD, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

v57---As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that EATETH me, even he shall live by me.

v58---This is that BREAD which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this BREAD shall live forever.

Now, Jesus told them over and over they (we) must EAT his FLESH and DRINK his BLOOD in order to have eternal life. Do you think that flesh is his human body? If so, how are we going to take and eat his human body? How are we going to get some of his blood from his human body and drink it? Unless you do this, you have no life in you.

Now remember Romans 8 said you are NOT in the flesh if Christ is in you. So here the flesh could not be speaking of your human body; for you surely know that you are still in your body; for if you are not in your body, you would be dead.

Look back at v 6---For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

v7---Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

v8---So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now don’t you see, that this could not mean if you are in your human body, you can not please God? For then, how could anyone ever please God? You would have to die and be out of your human body, if that is what he is speaking of.

But, he said he means a MIND. So, then the FLESH is a MIND; A THOUGHT; A WORD. It can be either a carnal MIND or a spiritual MIND. That is the FLESH he is meaning. The FLESH is A MIND. THE KIND OF MIND, THINKING YOU HAVE.

Now, go to John 1:14---And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So this grace and truth is a MIND. This FLESH is a MIND; WORD.

Now put all that together. It will clearify what is meant by eating his flesh; it means to understand his Word; to read or hear and understand his Word. His Word is his Flesh he said we must eat. Eat = understand; feed off it; take it into our mind. This gives us a spiritual mind which gives us life. See, to be spiritual minded is life; to be carnal minded is death. So, we must EAT his WORDS (FLESH) to have eternal life.

Now, take that and apply it to 1Tim.3:16-----when it said God was manifest in the FLESH, it does not mean Jesus’ human body; it means the Word that He gave us; this was his flesh we are to eat.

So, he manifest God in the Word. God is the Word. The Word is God. The Word was made FLESH and dwelt among us. That is how he was God with us; it was the Word in him. The Word did not die; for indeed it can not. His Word is forever established in Heaven. In the beginning was the Word; this was NOT the human man, Christ Jesus. It was the FLESH of God = His Word; the spiritual mind.

God sent that spiritual mind, the Word, here in his Son, Jesus. That is what Jesus said we must eat to have life; not his human body.

This is the great mystery. This Word, this mind, this FLESH, was justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Now don’t you see, that if it is speaking of the human body of Jesus, it could not have said it was ‘preached unto the Gentiles’; for Jesus had already gone up to Heaven before the Word was preached to Gentiles. What was PREACHED to the Gentiles? The WORD OF GOD; this is the FLESH; this is the BREAD; this is the SPIRITUAL MIND; this is the LIFE; this is the LIGHT.

Don’t you see that he said this is the BREAD? Bread is food. Meat is food. So, if it is something to eat, then eating must mean something other than what we do at our dinner tables. It is feeding our minds. It is reading, taking into our souls and minds the WORD of God. So, the Word is God, the Word is the FLESH we must eat. This is how God was manifest in the FLESH; IT WAS THE WORD.

If you believe it means the man Jesus, when it said God was manifest in the flesh, then please take that concept, of eating his FLESH and teach it and all these Scriptures in this message. When it said the Word was made FLESH, if you think that means the man Jesus, then please explain to us how we are to eat that flesh. For we must eat it in order to have eternal life.

Now all you people using (or rather misusing) 1Tim.3:16--- to try to say that Jesus was God, please explain how we are not in our flesh if the Spirit of God is in us. How did that take me out of my body? How are we to eat the body of Jesus? You must find the answer to these verses in the ‘light’ of the flesh meaning Jesus’ human body. Or else, you must come to see that this is not what is meant by saying God was manifest in the flesh. Thy Word, oh God, is forever settled in Heaven. Amen

I did a lot of work tonight to bring you these messages. I did it in hopes that the sincere ones who desire to know the truth of the Word will be able to take these short messges and study them as you have the time and get a full understanding of these things. Having all this together should help open it up. Many time, we read some here then some there; and forget what we read before. Therefore it never becomes clear. But with all this organized together, maybe you can see it. At least I hope so.

Suffer the little children to come to me; for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.

I have three little ones already there. Possibly five, if miscarriages are counted. By the grace of God, I will see them again some day.

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 11/26/2001 12:52 PM
Pillar,

WHY are you so timid about making clear what your thoughts really are? Are you afraid to speak? You should not leave thoughts hanging(?) to be guessed at. This leads people to surmise on their own; which can lead to error.

God gives his people BOLDNESS. Don't be afraid to speak your thoughts. You can not be on the 'front lines of battle' with this 'fear'.

Now, if you are insinuating that what I taught in the above messages is 'anti-Christ'--all I can say to you brother, is you really need to do some serious praying and studying. I believe you are sincere with the Lord; but you need to open up and let God show you some more truth.

Look at one of the verses you quoted: Romans 8:13---For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die; but if ye through the Spirit do mortify (kill) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Now, brother, think of this a minute: if he is saying if you live after your human body ye shall die----then we are will die immediately after we receive the Spirit.
For the 'body' is to eat, sleep, bathe, drink water, scratch our head, etc. etc.; now, surely you don't think these things are sin and will cause us to die.

That is if it means we are not to live after our body. That is what it would have to mean. People just can not separate the 'body' from the 'flesh'.

The body is this natural clay vessel that we dwell in; eat in; sleap in; cry in---.
The 'flesh' is the carnal mind. That is very clearly taught. The flesh is a MIND. not a BODY. There are two MINDS; THEREFORE TWO 'FLESHES'.
There is a carnal mind------ and there is a spiritual mind. One is death;----- the other is life------ now don't you see, that if it means our life as a live body--- either one would be life---- for carnal minded people are still alive in their body--- this is just toooooo clear for you to keep missing this!!!!!!!!

read v9---But ye are NOT in the FLESH but in the SPIRIT, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...

Now, is that saying that we are no longer in our 'body' if God gives us His Spirit?

If so, then we would have to DIE the minute God gives us his Spirit. For, the body without the spirit is dead. So, in order to not be in the flesh, would have to mean we died and left our body.

You are either carnally MINDED or SPIRITUALLY MINDED!!! Either way, you are still in your human BODY. (alive)

The body is not the mind. The body is not what the Word calls the FLESH.

The FLESH means the carnal mind.

Sometimes that word would mean the body. You have to be able to discern the difference. Many words are that way; they have two different meanings.
When it said Jesus came in the flesh, it has the other meaning here.

But in John 6---Jesus made it crystal clear, that He was speaking of the two MINDS --- NOT THE BODY.

Hope you and the others can get this revelation.

For unless someone we can trust takes over to over-see this community while Wanna and I are gone, we will be closing it out in two weeks. I hate to do this; but, since we have had some un-holy communication in just the last two days on this board, I now know for sure that we dare not leave it unattended by someone who will care enough to check it very often and keep such ungodly mess out of here.

Please consider this job. I know I could trust you to do it right.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 11/23/2001 4:18 PM
You will need to learn to use only that which is written in the Word. Man-made thoughts will lead one astray. The trinity doctrine is not Scriptual. It is a man made lie. Things like eggs are not scriptual teachings. It is man's carnal reasoning.

This Scripture in 1John is not trying to show what the sleeper church calls a 'triune' god. Look at what the word is speaking of. It is speaking of bearing 'record' of something. But WHAT???

The chapter starts with telling that if we believe that Jesus is the Christ (the son of the Living God)--then we are born of God.

It says this is the means by which we overcome the world.

v6 shows that Jesus came here as a human being; just like us (he came by water and blood) so he was a fleshly person. (A spirit hath not flesh and BLOOD).

Then v7--three are bearing RECORD in heaven---but what are they bearing record of?? The Father (a spirit) and His Word (his thoughts expressed)---and the Holy Ghost (also a spirit)--These three spirits are bearing record of something in heaven---but what is it?

These three are one. But one what? They are in agreement. There is no controversy. That is being 'one'. It is not saying they are one and the same person. It has nothing to do with that.

V8---There are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.


v10--He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself.. v9--the witness is that which God hath testified of his Son.

So, the true believer has that witness in himself. The water baptism, the spirit in us , and the blood of Christ which was shed for us, all these agree in this oneness we have with God. What is that oneness???

v11--And this is the RECORD, (now you will see what those three were bearing RECORD of)---that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

v12---He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

So that is what those three are bearing RECORD in heaven of: the fact that I (JO) have the Son of God; therefore God hath given to me eternal life. THEY are keeping that record. No one can disannul that record; for they bear that record. They testify that I have been given eternal life because I have the Son of God; because I (Jo) believe on the Son of God.

v9---If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater--
Men testify (witness) that they are thus and thus; or that someone else is thus and thus; this one is a prophet--- or that one is a witness---or another one is a great preacher---etc. etc. ---That is the witness of man.

BUT in heaven---I have a greater witness---those three witness that I ---me---you---are a child of God--that is a greater witness. I seek not the praise of men---but the praise of God. I seek not to please men---but God.

He bears RECORD that he has given to me, eternal life, and that life is in His Son. They have to bear witness that I have the Son of God. No one else can do this. Their word will not count----only God's Word will do. If they bear not this record of a person, that person will NOT enter into eternal life. That is how important that they bear this record of me.

God bless you.

JO

[Jo Smith]

[size=4[ You are getting several things mixed up together here. For one thing, we, human beings, as we are now, are NOT in the image of God. We are in the image if sinful man. The ONE created in Gen. 1--in the likeness and image of God was Jesus. This happened after the resurrection. In Isa. it says that God declared the END from the beginning. This is the END.

Carefully compare Gen 2 with Gen 1--you will find that there are two different creations told about. These two chapter do not match each other in any kind of way.

Adam, from the dust of the ground, is the man in Chapter two. This man was not given dominion of the earth; he was made to till the ground; a servant.

He was not in the image of God. The man in chapter one was.

Jesus LEFT that image and came here in the image of sinful man. He was made in all points as we are. He humbled himself and became obedient: that is the mind it says to let be in us: humility; obedience.

Study the meaning of the word 'one'. It has more than one meaning. It means much more that the digit 1.

Never, in the Word, is 3 said to become 1.

God is not saying 3 things became 1 thing. He is not saying 3 beings became 1 being. No ! He is saying 3 beings are in total harmony; agreement; this is the meaning of the word 'one' here; it is not 1 .

That is what is confusing this whole world.

Paul said we are ALL ONE. Do you suppose he meant we would all become 1?

He said husband and wife are one. Did he mean they were the same person? No. He meant they become in agreement and harmony.

Go back and study 1John 5. It is not speaking of God as to how many they (he is). It is never in the question in the word of how many beings there are to God. God is an inumerable kingdom. But they are ONE. Not 1---equals.

Jo

From: joie Sent: 11/23/2001 8:02 PM
Romans 8:3--For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.

I am not trying to upset you. I see that you are very sincere and are doing some serious study. I am thankful for that. Just continue to study; listen to what is said; then place it with the written word. Keep looking; don't close your mind. Don't fight new ideas. God will confirm His Word. There is no conflict in the Word. It all fits together perfectly. There are no unanswered questions when one has the truth on a subject.

You see, Jesus destroyed the body of sin. He took it to the grave; then into hell. He came out of that grave in the likeness and glory of almighty God. He was NOT in the image of God before that. Read the above Scripture: he came here in the likeness of sinful man. In this flesh, we are NOT in the image of God; if so, then there would be no need for death and then resurrection. Resurrection is when we put on the image of God. Only in the spirit are we now becoming like him. We are not there yet. We are growing. We could still fail and be lost; every one of us.

But, at the time of the new birth, the resurrection, we will be completely transformed into God's likeness. Then we will no longer be subject to sin and failing. We will put on immortality at the resurrection; we do not have that now. We are still mortal and corruptible. God is not mortal and corruptible. So, we are now in the image of sinful man.

How many churches are there? I mean the true church of Jesus; not these earthly denominations.
How many 'bodies' of Christ are there? ONE.
But, how many members are there in that one church?

Read 1Cor 12 very carefully.
v14--For the body (singular)--(one)-- is not one member, but many.
v12--For as the body is ONE, and hath many members, and all the members of that ONE body, being MANY are ONE BODY:

SO ALSO IS CHRIST.

Christ is the IMAGE of God. As Christ is many members; so also is God.

Church = one body = many members.
Kingdom = one body = many members.
God = one body = many members.

This is the true concept of God. The very fact of the teaching that the church is the body of Christ, and this is many members; is the real meaning of being ONE.

See, it is not saying they are all 1. It is saying they are all united into one unit (body).
This unity, love, is the very ESSENCE of God.

God is a many membered Kingdom/.
Just because the church has been in darkness and has not known these things, does not make it untrue.

The evening light (truth) is coming forth!

1Cor. 10:17--For we being many are ONE bread, and ONE body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

We, being many are ONE. Romans 12: 4--For as we have MANY members in ONE body, and all members have not the same office:
v5--So we, being MANY, are ONE body in Christ, and every one members one of another.v6--Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

This Christ, made up of many members; yet being just ONE body is the IMAGE OF GOD.

Eph. 4:11-- And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evengelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

v12--For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the BODY (SINGULAR) of Christ:

v13--Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto A PERFECT MAN (singular)--unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

v15--But speaking the truth in live, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ;

v16---From whom the whole BODY fitly joined TOGETHER and compacted by that which EVERY JOINT supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of EVERY PART, maketh increase of the BODY unto the edifying of itself in love.

This Christ, a many membered body is the IMAGE of God.


Jo



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[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 11/23/2001 9:16 PM
Galatians 3:26---For ye are ALL the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
v27---For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

v28--There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

v29---And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heirs of God; and JOINT HEIRS with Christ Jesus.

In Issac shall thy SEED be called. And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's SEED.

We are that one bread; we are that one seed; we are all one; we are all members of ONE body; that body is the image of the invisible God. God is a many membered kingdom.

May the truth finally be made known to the children of light.

Jo

From: joie Sent: 11/23/2001 9:36 PM
You have done nothing to appoligize for. You are doing a great job of discussing this matter. I only wish more of our members would get in here and work at getting the Word of God out to others.

I do not expect you or anyone else to just accept such a strange concept at first. I can tell you, it scared me when God first showed me this. Believe me, I have never heard another living soul say this. It is something God himself revealed to me. When He showed me this, I felt as though I were being spiritually transported into another 'room' of understanding. I felt myself kind of 'sliding' into it. But, even though, it scared me, I would not hold back. I knew that after He finished showing it to me, that I could never go back and NOT believe this.

We have all been so indoctrinated to believe that God is just 1 being, and that He is , as you said, OVER a kingdom. But, I ask you, WHO OR WHAT is that kingdom made up of??
Think about this. If it is a KINGDOM of God, who are the members of the kingdom?
It is not us. We are of the earth kingdom.

Jesus said to his disciples, I am the vine, ye are the branches; there are leaves and fruit also on that ONE tree. See, that TREE is the kingdom of Christ. He showed right there that He and all his people are ONE KINGDOM.

It is the same with the God Kingdom. It is also the same with Satan's kingdom. All of his subjects are part of that kingdom.

Satan is not just one being; it is a kingdom. His whole kingdom will be cast into the lake of fire. This means that all who served him are part of his kingdom and will be cast into that fire as one unit.

You are doing a great job. Don't appoligize. You are studying and learning. So am I.

We will help each other. That is what this is all about. This is the work of the one body of Christ. We are still earthly. We are an earthly body of Christ. At the resurrection, we will be given a glorified body like unto HIS glorious body. Then we will all be one heavenly kingdom.

JO

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 11/23/2001 9:36 PM
You have done nothing to appoligize for. You are doing a great job of discussing this matter. I only wish more of our members would get in here and work at getting the Word of God out to others.

I do not expect you or anyone else to just accept such a strange concept at first. I can tell you, it scared me when God first showed me this. Believe me, I have never heard another living soul say this. It is something God himself revealed to me. When He showed me this, I felt as though I were being spiritually transported into another 'room' of understanding. I felt myself kind of 'sliding' into it. But, even though, it scared me, I would not hold back. I knew that after He finished showing it to me, that I could never go back and NOT believe this.

We have all been so indoctrinated to believe that God is just 1 being, and that He is , as you said, OVER a kingdom. But, I ask you, WHO OR WHAT is that kingdom made up of??
Think about this. If it is a KINGDOM of God, who are the members of the kingdom?
It is not us. We are of the earth kingdom.

Jesus said to his disciples, I am the vine, ye are the branches; there are leaves and fruit also on that ONE tree. See, that TREE is the kingdom of Christ. He showed right there that He and all his people are ONE KINGDOM.

It is the same with the God Kingdom. It is also the same with Satan's kingdom. All of his subjects are part of that kingdom.

Satan is not just one being; it is a kingdom. His whole kingdom will be cast into the lake of fire. This means that all who served him are part of his kingdom and will be cast into that fire as one unit.

You are doing a great job. Don't appoligize. You are studying and learning. So am I.

We will help each other. That is what this is all about. This is the work of the one body of Christ. We are still earthly. We are an earthly body of Christ. At the resurrection, we will be given a glorified body like unto HIS glorious body. Then we will all be one heavenly kingdom.

JO

From: joie Sent: 9/8/2001 5:21 PM
James, there are many Scriptures where God is called Jesus's God. I guess people just do not want to see what is being said.

John 20:17---Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Fther, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God.

Now, rather they want to see this or not, this is Jesus calling somebody his God.

If the trinity doctrine or the Jesus only doctrine were either one correct, this could not be in the Word. If they were 'equals' --- how then does Jesus call the Father his God? And if there is only Jesus, how is he calling some one else his God?

See, this just can not be true.

Matt. 27:46---And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, ....My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus is clearly calling some else his God; both here and after his resurrection; as recorded in Rev.3:12.

I think people had better start listening to the Word of God; instead of these whorish churches.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

I feel that you just do not understand what I am saying. I am saying that the 1st man Adam, the human flesh, of which Jesus was on this earth, is not God.

To say that he, as a human man was God, is to call this first Adam, this body of death, this sinful nature, this image of sinful man, this creature, God. Surely, if you can see what I am saying you would also agree. For Jesus died and went into hell to destroy this first man Adam. He was, on earth, also the first man Adam.

He had to pray to God, he said I can of mine own self do NOTHING. Don't you see that he himself did not claim to be God. This is the blasphemy: to say that human flesh is God. If you deny that Jesus came in human flesh, you call God a liar; and become anti-Christ.

When Jesus said 'I will raise it up', that was God speaking in Jesus. He even told his disciples that the Father would speak in them.

AFTER the resurrection, AFTER Jesus became the Second man Adam, THEN God the Father gave him the power and authority of the Godhead; = to be God with the God kingdom.

To call Mary's son, the human Jesus God, is to say first man Adam is God. This is not true. It is not contrary to Scripture to declare that the human Jesus was not God.

If you say words and terms that are not written in the Word, you are guilty of adding to or changing God's Word. This is the worst offense against God.

Now, Ray, yes; here is the Scriptual name of my Church: Heb. 12:22--But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
v23--To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.

THE CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN.

Rev. 1:5---And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

There you have it: Jesus was BEGOTTEN as a Son of God by the RESURRECTION; not by Mary.

Now, please tell me the Scripture where your church's name is.

Jo


Jesus, in his humanity was corruptible. He died. He would have decayed if God had not raised him from the dead. So don’t you see, that to call this human man, even tho he was born of a virgin by the power of God, to call him God is to change the glory of God into the corruptibility of man.

Because of this, God gave people over to a reprobate mind---Romans 1:28.

v25---they worshipped and served the ‘creature’ more than the ‘creator’--- the MAN was the ‘creature’-----God, a spirit, is the creator.

God is eternal: no woman birthed God. This is blasphemy to say such a thing. God is a spirit. God cannot die. Jesus, took upon him corruptibility, and died. It is blasphemy to say that God died at the hands of sinful man, and then went into hell.

No, it says the ‘servant’ of God came here to be an offering for our sins. It is said to be God’s blood, in that Jesus belonged to God. It does not mean that God himself has blood. Jesus himself said a spirit hath NOT flesh and blood or bones. God was not the offering for our sins; he sent his Son to do that. That corruptible man was not God.

From: joie Sent: 10/14/2001 11:48 PM
Matt.16:13-19---Jesus asked his disciples, “whom do you say that I am”? Peter said, thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Jesus answered, blessed art thou Simon, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Notice, He never said Jesus was ‘God’; said he was the SON OF GOD. The church is built on that revelation; that is the rock, the fact that Jesus is God’s Son, not that Jesus is God.

Every church teaches that Jesus is God. Some say he is the only one. Others say he is the second person in a god-head. But, the Scripture does not say either one. You have to go by exactly what the Word says. After all, this is God telling us what he wants us to know about himself. No man on earth knows anything about God, except what he says.

John 4:21-26-- v24---God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Numb.23:19--God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent;......

See, it said God is NOT a man. Also said he is not the son of man. So, how could he be Jesus??? Jesus was both a man and the son of man.

Luke 24:38-44----And he said unto them. Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Then he ate before them, showing he was still flesh, after the resurrection.

John 1:18---No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Ex.33:20---And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

1Tim. 6:15,16----Which in his times he shall shew who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords: Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath see, nor can see: to whom be honour and power ever-lasting.

Rod, above you stated that there was proof that God is three: then you proceeded to quote several verses using the word 'us'. Now I ask you, how does this prove God is three? Since when did the word 'us' come to mean three? Don't you see how that previously taught false doctrine influnces how you interpretate a verse? If you had never heard the concept that God is three persons and read those verses saying 'let us', I grant you, you would never in a million years have conceived this to say that God is three persons.

Give this some serious thought.

JO

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 1/30/2002 10:09 PM
Jesus came here in a body exactly like ours. He was made in human flesh; made of woman; in all points like unto his brethern. He was tempted in all points like us; but without sin.

That human man hungered, grew tired, slept, grieved, cried,was tempted, grew angry, was beaten, crowned with thorns, died, was buried, went into hell; then was resurrected to new life. All just like us. No difference.

That is the body he came here in. He was made lower than the angels; = made human. A MAN of sorrows and acquainted with grief.

No!!! This flesh was not God. nor was it 'a god'. He did not come here as a god. Certainly not. That is total lying teaching. It is not in God's Word, anywhere. It is a man-made lie.

Jesus never at any time said he was God or a god. He said he was the Son of God. The Word clearly teaches that the Father is Jesus' God. (Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ). If Jesus had come here as a god ---then he would have been opposing the true God, His Father. NO!!!! He did no such thing.

The human flesh of Jesus was never God --- it was not the Word---- nor was the Word --- that body.

When Jesus said we must EAT his flesh, he meant EAT, OR UNDERSTAND THE SPIRITUAL MEAT OR FLESH HE BROUGHT TO US -- WHICH WAS THE WORD. The message or Word of God = meat or flesh or bread or water for the soul.

It is not eating carnal bread.
It is eating Spiritual bread or flesh or meat or water or light or truth or life = it is all the same thing. BUT IT IS NOT HUMAN FLESH. It is not the man who died on the cross. That man BROUGHT US THAT SPIRITUAL FLESH TO EAT = IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD. HE SAID I SPEAK ONLY THE WORDS OF MY FATHER. THIS IS THAT WORD OR MEAT OR FLESH WHICH JESUS GAVE US. IT WAS IN HIM.

The Word became FLESH = but not human flesh = spiritual flesh = WORDS.
Means, Jesus brought us God's Word, gave it to us so we could understand it. That message in him was the flesh which the Word became.

Sure, hope you can finally understand or eat this meat or bread, flesh truth.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 1/16/2002 7:14 PM

God gave me a prayer list several years ago. He told me to pray about these things on a regular basis. One of the things He told me to pray against is the public school system in our country. This is one of the tools of Satan to take our children into atheism.

BUT, THE MAIN responsibility for teaching children rests upon the parents. Very few parents take the time to sit and teach their children the Word and to pray with them. This is the main reason for the decline in young people knowing God.

God never laid it on 'schools' to teach children; he laid it on parents. My heart hurts for the children today. They are subject to so much hurt and neglect in the homes. They are deprived of being brought to know and love Jesus.

This will bring about the destruction of America; that is unless people repent on a whole.

I personally do not believe children should be sent to public school. I ask all of you to pray much about this. I ask God to bring about a righteous system everywhere. But, you know, it is not 'POPULAR' to believe in Holiness today.

Well, God is Holy, and he said for us to be Holy also. Without Holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

JO