Holy Living

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 8/23/2001 2:47 PM



I hope to teach on the four-faced living Creature of Eze. soon; when I can find the time. I see that this is very needful for Christians to understand.

Sometimes 'Love' is much misunderstood. Sometimes Love makes it very necessary to CORRECT.

If you see your child or friend into something you know for sure will harm them; and you see that they do not understand this; you will do every thing in your power to show them the harm of what they are doing. This is the way it is with Christians who are maybe deeper into some things of God than others. This is not pride; it is not wanting to show off; it is not trying to PROVE you know something the other does not know. Though, I know for the most part, this is how it is usually taken. This thought is even innocently forstered by well meaning Christians.

When you see that our 'contending' Scripture is, as you put it, trying to prove OUR point and that we know more than the other, are you not being harsh and judgmental of us? I have found this true many times; those saying we should not judge and hurt others, will not think twice of doing the same thing to those they think are doing it.

For you to think that our (my) motive is a selfish desire to lift myself up, to show off my knowledge, or any of this sort of thing is to totaly misjudge me. If you mean me. And I certainly fit into the catagory of seeming to be contentious. If no one teaches the truth, all will be in darkness.

I have only ONE reason to be here or anywhere else, trying to teach what I know God has taught me to be the truth of His Word; that is to help others move up closer to God and be sure they have what it takes to go into eternal life. That is true love.

Love does not sit back and watch the 'wolves' come in and devour the sheep. They will do as David did to the bear and lion; they will go after that wolf and deliver that sheep. Maybe some do not understand the true application here; it means to expose false teachers and doctrine. The most damanging doctrine in the world is to teach that it does not matter what you believe or do as long as you say Jesus is the Son of God.

This will take plenty of deceived people to hell. Is that love?

The first face on the 'Creature' = Christian--- is the ox. This is the animal of sacrifice. That is as far as most Christians ever get. But there are three more stages of development. The MAN face is the spirit of complete unity; the grown up statue of the Man Christ Jesus. Now did Jesus always be sugar sweet? No. Read his scaulding words to the Pharisees and lawyers. Read where he called herod a fox. Paul was in contentions continually. Surely you must have overlooked most of his words, if you pitcure him as a man going around, soft spoken, turning a blind eye to the false teachers of his day. Paul ever jumped Peter when he saw he was to be blamed. Did this make Paul not be a true man of God? Did it mean he did not have love? No.

But, then you have the LION face. Did you ever wonder what this is? The answer will surprise you unless God has already shown it to you. This is the one fully prepared for WAR; CAN GO TO BATTLE. This is found in Samual. (will not look it up now).

God has to have some well trained warriers. They will do battle against all God's enemies. This is fully manifested in the area of the Word.

Then is the Eagle face. This one is the person God has prepared to go up into the high, unseen things of the Word. This one will feed the sheep things others have never had a clue was there.

Now, the body is sick, if it only has the oxen. It must have all four faces to be full grown, well rounded Christian.

What you are witnessing on this board, is those four faces at work. Don't misjudge it.

Heb. 12:6--For whom the Lord LOVETH he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

This shows that the Love of God brings on chastening and scourging. Does this mean it is not love? Of course not. The love causes Him to correct so as to save the person.

v7--If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

v8---But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

So this shows that the nature of God, in the love for his sons, is to chastise them when it is needed.

Rev.3:19---As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

So, don't you see that the love of God will cause us to do as He does; to rebuke and chasten those He shows us are out of line with the truth?

You will probably say, we are not God; we are not in the position to do this; but no, God calls us all to do that work of God. He gives us what we need to do this. If no one does this job, then all will forever be in the clutches of false teachings.

Now, I hope not to make any enemies here; but this is the work God called me to do.

Going back to your starting verse; Many believe that this verse is saying all you have to do to have to be saved is to 'believe'. Now that is not what is taught in the Word. This is the kind of deception I have to fight. Look a little closer at the verse: It said whosoever believeth in Him SHOULD not perish. This is not saying they absolutely will not ever perish. I know that is the common teaching. But this does not match the rest of the Word. It has to match the rest of the Word: for it all is God's Word; and He does not say one thing in on place and another thing in another place.

I said he SHOULD NOT. This is future perfect tense. This means there is a great possiblilty he will not perish. Just as where he said 'to as many as believeth on him, he gave the power to BECOME Sons of God.

Most people say this means believing makes them sons of God. But it did not say that. It said He gave them the power to go on and become sons of God. It, too is only a possibility. Look those words up in the Hebrew dictionary; you will find this meaning. This matches the rest of the Word.

There is much more to receiving eternal life, than just believing. This is only a start. The sleeper church started this lie; to make people live careless, sinful lives, thinking they are saved eternally. God is saying if we believe, we can go on and obey His Word and find eternal life.

Now, I know the false teachers will jump on this with all their might. But, so be it. I teach in LOVE; NOT TO LIFT MYSELF UP. I am not interested in proving I know something others do not know. Let God give you true discernment; = judgment. Do not judge that all of us teach for that reason.

I know you did not just mean me. And I am not saying this to defend myself; but only to let you know that contending for the truth is a command of the Word. (James).

Jo

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 8/23/2001 10:52 PM

Hello Glory2himonly,

I perceive that we may have a little misunderstandin between us. But I am thankful that it is in true Christian love. I understand perfectly about being battle weary. Years ago, I went through that most of the time. But today, I enjoy the battle. I love it. Keep going, keep growing; someday you ,too will love the battle. For the battle is the Lords.

Those battles you spoke of will drain you. You are right; sometimes you just have to let them go. Some battles you can not win. Even Jesus stopped trying to help those hypocrites of his day.

I had to give up many battles I wanted to win years ago; those the most dear to my heart; I could not win. I just had to give up, walk away, and leave things up to God.

But, the battle for the truth of the word is different; we can not give that up. God will win this battle. It will be in His own time and in His own way. Many times, we think we are loosing; but God is working in His mysterious ways His wonders to perform.

Now, I noticed that you said we must decide which part of God's Word was worth battling and which one was not important. I tell you NO part of God's Word is unimportant. Every Word of God is important and worth battling for.

We live by EVERY Word of God. That is why it is so dangerous to take one or two verses and make a whole doctrine on it. Most denominations are built on just one or two verses; and they care nothing for the rest of the Word. This could be nothing but Satanic.

This is the very reason why you and most others do not see the deadly seriousness of not partaking of the holidays; they have not been taught that this is devil worship. People would gladly kill me for those words; yet it is the very truth of God.

I can't help it if God revealed these things to me and put such a burning desire in me to help others find their way out of this devil worshiping Babylon.

Glory, I know where you are; I certainly do not love you any less because of it. You are most certainly welcome here. We want you to stay. We want you to be free to express your thoughts. We want to help anyone we can. We want to be helped by all.

I say those things are wrong. They will hinder your spiritual growth. I will not judge the matter of how much they will stop one from having eternal life. But, from the looks of the Word, He will come against all who are into idols. Those things are idols.

The Word says: 'If you love the world and the things of the world, the Love of the Father is not in you.' I do not say these things to condemn; but to help one grow up to greater things in God.

I do not say one should keep any 7th day Sabbath: I say right the opposite; The Word says we are not under that law. I will contend for this truth if the whole world comes against me. We are not under the law, if we are in Christ Jesus. Most people are still under the law;; but they are not in Christ Jesus; you can't be both.

You can see from the posts here and on other boards that most people are still under the law and love to have it so.

But, when the Grace period of over, they will sadly be JUDGED BY THAT LAW. There is no justification by the law.

I have tried as hard as I can to show this to my friends and enemies; but they will not listen.

As you grow in knowledge, you should let those other things go out of your life.

Study up on the origin of the holidays; you can not stay in them if you find the truth. Raise the children in truth; not fables.

I raised my children in truth; they were very happy. My last little girl stood up for Jesus against grown people who asked her about Santa; She would say I believe in Jesus not Santa.

xmas is the celebration of the sungod. Jesus is not connected with any such evil.

But, I do not want you to leave us over this thing. I want to help you see the truth.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 8/24/2001 1:51 PM


WOW!!!! This is a lot of stuff to answer at one time. And since I have already been on here a long time, and need to get off, I will only briefly say a few things. I will come back to this as soon as I can and explain more.

I do indeed have my reservations about this internet. I have publicly asked prayer about it. I pray about it constantly. All I know is so far God continues to show me to keep teaching via this means. It is the ONLY thing I use my computer for.

I know there is a lot of evil available through this media; but I do not utilize that.

I know of no good use for t.v. except to waste time with.

My God told me to get rid of it and to tell others to do the same.

Now, about not knowing the right birthday of Jesus; I know most people think that date is not told, but it is. It has to be revealed. God revealed it to me 20 years ago.

I have posted this many times in some of my messages.

In Job 3 it shows (by prophecy) that the birthday of Jesus was blotted out of existence. That is now much God did not want this day blessed or celebrated as the heathens do their gods.

That day was Feb. 30. In the beginning all of God's people's calendars had 30 days to the month. Ceazar changed the calendar; blotting out that day. Of course he did not know what he was doing; God moved it that way.

Now about the 'nature' of God I already have several messages on this board which teach the truth of this. It would be good for you to hunt them up and study them.

God is a many-memberied Kingdom. That message is here somewhere. No church I have ever heard of teaches this; but it is the Word. Jesus was not God; he was a man. There is a message here about this.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

~ On Judging ~

From: nellie Sent: 12/18/2001 12:45 PM
There are two different 'kinds' of judging. One is when we attempt to 'judge' our fellowman's thoughts and intentions, and their eternal destination. This is the kind of judging we are told not to do.

But, the other judging we are told that we must do or God is not pleased with us. He held it against people all through the Word that they did NOT have judgment. This is to rightly judge when a thing is right or wrong. We must be able to judge this. If we cannot judge what is right and wrong, we will easily be misled.

If we have discernment of spirits, we can rightly judge when one has an evil spirit and is doing evil.

Paul said what can you not judge the smallest matter? KNow you not, that the saints shall judge the world, even angels.

To just throw out the words, we must NOT judge, is very misleading; as is so many other things people say without getting a full understanding of these things.

Nellie

From: joie Sent: 1/15/2002 11:44 PM
Here is the Scripture showing that Jesus did indeed 'judge and condemn' some people.

Matt. 23
v13--Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!
Is not calling them 'hypocrites' a matter of 'judging'?

v14--...ye shall receive the greater d**nation

Is this not condemning them?

v15--once again calling them hypocrites

v16--calling them blind guides

v17---calling them fools and blind

v19---again calling them fools and blind

v23--calling them hypocrites---- said they left off the 'weightier matters of the law, one being 'judgment'. (see, he held it against them that they did not have 'judgment'.

v24---Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. (is this not judging when he told them they do these things?

v27--Jesus told them they were full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness. (is not this judging?)

v28--outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within (see judging their inwards)--ye are full of hypocrisy and INIQUITY.

v33--He called them serpents, and vipers, then this: HOW CAN YE ESCAPE THE d**nATION OF HELL?

Is all this not judging and CONDEMNING? I think so.
Read the whole chapter; it is full of this same thing.

Jo