Post by isaiah on Nov 25, 2008 0:16:12 GMT -5
Genesis:1&2
I would like to bring forth the great message that Joey was referring to about the first chapter and the second chapter of Genesis She has done a great job on this message.
I would like to show anyone that reads this great message. This controversial subject that everyone is mixed up about the creation. Even those men who fervently fight in the name of Jesus for the creation and they are right except they don’t have the true revelation of the Scriptures. They try to disprove evolution and that’s a good thing that they are doing but if they can only come in the truth what the book of Genesis is showing, they would be able even more to show what God is really showing.
This is a very deep subject and will take a lot of scriptures. Get your bibles out and get into the study with me. Let’s go to chapter 1 and chapter 2 of Genesis. I want to show you In God’s word that chapter 1 is not the creation of mankind as we know man. Chapter 2 is the creation of the dust man and all the dust creation as we know man. Chapter 1is another world altogether and has absolutely nothing to do with life from Adam and Eve made from the dust of the ground down to our day.
They do not appear in Genesis chapter 1. We can see in chapter 1 the time period where he did this on the first day, second day, 3rd day, etc. People of God that is not talking about the creation of man from the dust of the ground. It has absolutely nothing to do with our world.
It is a heavenly world that we have never seen, that we are yet to see. And I will prove to you by God’s word that there is absolutely no comparison, no similarity, with chapter 2 of Genesis and chapter 1 and I will prove to you that the dust creation that we are part of here has no time limit set on it whatsoever.
We have no record of how long this creation took, we have no record of when it came to be. The record in chapter 1 is not talking about this earth that we live on today. It is not talking about mankind in his fallen state. It is talking about a heavenly world where everything was and still is perfect.
Even the animal creatures there were perfect. They were made after God’s kind, they were not made like creatures we see today. Unless you see and understand that Jesus Christ is God’s Son and not God himself you will never see the truth of God’s word.
Every revelation in God’s word depends on that true foundation that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God. The true foundation for the church and for the revelation is not that Jesus is God. The entire church world is preaching that Jesus is God, but that is just not the truth. Jesus is God’s Son, the Lord God. God had a heavenly Son that came to this earth in the state of all fallen man as Jesus Christ.
God himself did not do that his Son did. The word never any time said that God left Heaven and came through Mary, he said his son did. But that Is a different teaching. To see that teaching you need to look at -“The True Foundation” and also “Jesus, God’s Son”.
It is necessary to see that Jesus was God’s Son to see what we are teaching here and anything that is in God’s words. Everything in God’s word rests upon that revelation that Jesus was God’s Son. Until you see this revelation you probably will not see what we are teaching here or anywhere else. It is impossible to see truth without knowing this revelation. If you think that Jesus is God and he is the only one you will never see the truth of God’s words.
Because in many, many scriptures especially in Psalms, God and the Son are talking to each other. How could you ever see that without knowing, that they are two separate beings?
The word says that God is a spirit, the word also said that God was not man. The word said that Jesus Christ was a man. Jesus Christ himself said that God is a Spirit and they worship him much worship him in spirit and truth. After the resurrection Jesus told his disciples to feel me and handle me to see that a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see me have. So you see even after the resurrection he was still not considered to be a spirit.
He was still a man. The word of God also said there is one God and also there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus is a man and he is a mediator and other words the go-between us and God. So in order to understand what we are fixing to tell you, you need to understand that.
Genesis chapter 1 is a world created by God. God the Father- Capitol God- You look at chapter 1 and you can go all the way down through there it always said God created, God did this, God did that, God did the other. When it switches to chapter 2 and goes into the creation of man from the dust of the ground it said the Lord God did this. All the way through chapter 2 it said the Lord God did this. You see there’s a reason for this.
Chapter 1 is a heavenly world created by God himself in the likeness and image and the glory of God which is a spirit. He created a spirit world of perfection and that was the creation that had day one, day two, day three, not the world we live in. These people that are trying to backup creation by saying that we were created in six days don’t know what they are talking about.
This creation down here was not created like that. That’s the heavenly world and we do not have any Idea and it does not matter how much his days was. It could have been a million years for all that we know and it could have been one day. God’s time is not like our time, he was dealing with another world altogether. To prove that looking at Genesis chapter 1
In the beginning, he didn’t say in the beginning of what, there are many beginnings. It could have been the beginning of a new heaven and the new Earth or it could have been the beginning of a world back yonder on the other side of the dust of man.
But anyway he said in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth was without form , and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen1:3-- And God said, Let there be light: and there was light ( now let me show you something, he’s not talking about the light of the sun, he’s not talking about the light of the moon. Because we can see this is the first day of creation. Now look at the 14th versus where he created the sun, moon, and the stars, you see this was on the 4th day.
So on the first day he created light but it was not the light of the sun. He said- Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness
5 “And God called the light Day,”( with capitol D which means it is talking about a person.
The DayStar rising in your heart, here he is talking about the Son of God Jesus Christ.) “and the darkness he called Night “( capitol N here is talking about Satan.) “And the evening and the morning were the first day.” Now that is not talking about the world we live In and we will see this and just a minute when we go to chapter 2 that this is not pertaining to our world.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. ( now you know that the waters show people, (let me add this for Spiritwalker here is one of your symbols showing waters as people) so what he is doing is dividing some groups of people here that was In a heavenly world that we absolutely know nothing about.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 “And God called the firmament Heaven,” (Capitol H that is showing the abode of God the heavenly world where God is.) “ And the evening and the morning were the second day.”
You need to print this out where you can study this and compare Genesis chapter 1and chapter 2 to see what we are telling you where you will be able to concentrate on this study. When I first heard this message it took me a very long time to see what was happening in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. First of all you need to lay aside all that you have been taught on this subject. Because no one has really taught this on this like it should have been.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; ( now this is not talking about the dry land that we live on, he is talking about the Earth in another world.) “and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.”
Now watch this- 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind,( talking about God’s kind) “whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.” ( this seed in itself shows life, not the kind of life we have on this earth, not temporal life, it means that it had the God life in itself eternal life.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself,( that means it had life in itself) after his kind( the God kind) and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.( so you see on the third day he brought forth the grass and fruit trees and all of that but he is not talking about the grass on this earth that we see.)
Now the 4th day of creation- 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;( see the small d & n this is referring to day and night as we know it) “and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.( on the 4th day he brought in the sun, moon, and stars. This was not the light that he was talking about in vs. 4&5 where he said the light was called Day.)
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, ( hear he is talking about the small day and the small night which means the regular day and night) “and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.”
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Can’t you see in the first day of creation when he divided the light from the darkness what he was doing he was dividing the holy angelic host that was true to God from the angelic host that fell away from God. Because you see that was on the first day where he divided the light from the darkness by the capital D Day and the capital N Night which is talking about Jesus and Satan ( another symbol for Spiritwalker)
Now on the 4th day when he is dividing the light from the darkness he is talking about the regular day and regular night by the regular moon and stars with a small d and a small n see that was on the 4th day. So he divided the light from the darkness to on two separate days of creation. The first day, and the 4th day so he had about be talking about two different creations.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
( hath life that is talking about eternal life) “ and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 6th day -And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,( see the creatures in the 5th day came out of waters, now these creatures here are coming forth out of the earth) “ Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.( See God created a man and a woman in his image and likeness on the 6th day. This is not the Adam and Eve that we know about.)
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. ( In other words they were not going to eat to any animals.)
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. ( Now you see on that 6th day of creation he said every living creature was to eat herbs and grass. Not one creature on this earth that he Is talking about will kill and eat another animal. It is not to be seen.
Jo Smith
I would like to bring forth the great message that Joey was referring to about the first chapter and the second chapter of Genesis She has done a great job on this message.
I would like to show anyone that reads this great message. This controversial subject that everyone is mixed up about the creation. Even those men who fervently fight in the name of Jesus for the creation and they are right except they don’t have the true revelation of the Scriptures. They try to disprove evolution and that’s a good thing that they are doing but if they can only come in the truth what the book of Genesis is showing, they would be able even more to show what God is really showing.
This is a very deep subject and will take a lot of scriptures. Get your bibles out and get into the study with me. Let’s go to chapter 1 and chapter 2 of Genesis. I want to show you In God’s word that chapter 1 is not the creation of mankind as we know man. Chapter 2 is the creation of the dust man and all the dust creation as we know man. Chapter 1is another world altogether and has absolutely nothing to do with life from Adam and Eve made from the dust of the ground down to our day.
They do not appear in Genesis chapter 1. We can see in chapter 1 the time period where he did this on the first day, second day, 3rd day, etc. People of God that is not talking about the creation of man from the dust of the ground. It has absolutely nothing to do with our world.
It is a heavenly world that we have never seen, that we are yet to see. And I will prove to you by God’s word that there is absolutely no comparison, no similarity, with chapter 2 of Genesis and chapter 1 and I will prove to you that the dust creation that we are part of here has no time limit set on it whatsoever.
We have no record of how long this creation took, we have no record of when it came to be. The record in chapter 1 is not talking about this earth that we live on today. It is not talking about mankind in his fallen state. It is talking about a heavenly world where everything was and still is perfect.
Even the animal creatures there were perfect. They were made after God’s kind, they were not made like creatures we see today. Unless you see and understand that Jesus Christ is God’s Son and not God himself you will never see the truth of God’s word.
Every revelation in God’s word depends on that true foundation that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God. The true foundation for the church and for the revelation is not that Jesus is God. The entire church world is preaching that Jesus is God, but that is just not the truth. Jesus is God’s Son, the Lord God. God had a heavenly Son that came to this earth in the state of all fallen man as Jesus Christ.
God himself did not do that his Son did. The word never any time said that God left Heaven and came through Mary, he said his son did. But that Is a different teaching. To see that teaching you need to look at -“The True Foundation” and also “Jesus, God’s Son”.
It is necessary to see that Jesus was God’s Son to see what we are teaching here and anything that is in God’s words. Everything in God’s word rests upon that revelation that Jesus was God’s Son. Until you see this revelation you probably will not see what we are teaching here or anywhere else. It is impossible to see truth without knowing this revelation. If you think that Jesus is God and he is the only one you will never see the truth of God’s words.
Because in many, many scriptures especially in Psalms, God and the Son are talking to each other. How could you ever see that without knowing, that they are two separate beings?
The word says that God is a spirit, the word also said that God was not man. The word said that Jesus Christ was a man. Jesus Christ himself said that God is a Spirit and they worship him much worship him in spirit and truth. After the resurrection Jesus told his disciples to feel me and handle me to see that a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see me have. So you see even after the resurrection he was still not considered to be a spirit.
He was still a man. The word of God also said there is one God and also there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus is a man and he is a mediator and other words the go-between us and God. So in order to understand what we are fixing to tell you, you need to understand that.
Genesis chapter 1 is a world created by God. God the Father- Capitol God- You look at chapter 1 and you can go all the way down through there it always said God created, God did this, God did that, God did the other. When it switches to chapter 2 and goes into the creation of man from the dust of the ground it said the Lord God did this. All the way through chapter 2 it said the Lord God did this. You see there’s a reason for this.
Chapter 1 is a heavenly world created by God himself in the likeness and image and the glory of God which is a spirit. He created a spirit world of perfection and that was the creation that had day one, day two, day three, not the world we live in. These people that are trying to backup creation by saying that we were created in six days don’t know what they are talking about.
This creation down here was not created like that. That’s the heavenly world and we do not have any Idea and it does not matter how much his days was. It could have been a million years for all that we know and it could have been one day. God’s time is not like our time, he was dealing with another world altogether. To prove that looking at Genesis chapter 1
In the beginning, he didn’t say in the beginning of what, there are many beginnings. It could have been the beginning of a new heaven and the new Earth or it could have been the beginning of a world back yonder on the other side of the dust of man.
But anyway he said in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth was without form , and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen1:3-- And God said, Let there be light: and there was light ( now let me show you something, he’s not talking about the light of the sun, he’s not talking about the light of the moon. Because we can see this is the first day of creation. Now look at the 14th versus where he created the sun, moon, and the stars, you see this was on the 4th day.
So on the first day he created light but it was not the light of the sun. He said- Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness
5 “And God called the light Day,”( with capitol D which means it is talking about a person.
The DayStar rising in your heart, here he is talking about the Son of God Jesus Christ.) “and the darkness he called Night “( capitol N here is talking about Satan.) “And the evening and the morning were the first day.” Now that is not talking about the world we live In and we will see this and just a minute when we go to chapter 2 that this is not pertaining to our world.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. ( now you know that the waters show people, (let me add this for Spiritwalker here is one of your symbols showing waters as people) so what he is doing is dividing some groups of people here that was In a heavenly world that we absolutely know nothing about.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 “And God called the firmament Heaven,” (Capitol H that is showing the abode of God the heavenly world where God is.) “ And the evening and the morning were the second day.”
You need to print this out where you can study this and compare Genesis chapter 1and chapter 2 to see what we are telling you where you will be able to concentrate on this study. When I first heard this message it took me a very long time to see what was happening in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. First of all you need to lay aside all that you have been taught on this subject. Because no one has really taught this on this like it should have been.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; ( now this is not talking about the dry land that we live on, he is talking about the Earth in another world.) “and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.”
Now watch this- 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind,( talking about God’s kind) “whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.” ( this seed in itself shows life, not the kind of life we have on this earth, not temporal life, it means that it had the God life in itself eternal life.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself,( that means it had life in itself) after his kind( the God kind) and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.( so you see on the third day he brought forth the grass and fruit trees and all of that but he is not talking about the grass on this earth that we see.)
Now the 4th day of creation- 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;( see the small d & n this is referring to day and night as we know it) “and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.( on the 4th day he brought in the sun, moon, and stars. This was not the light that he was talking about in vs. 4&5 where he said the light was called Day.)
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, ( hear he is talking about the small day and the small night which means the regular day and night) “and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.”
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Can’t you see in the first day of creation when he divided the light from the darkness what he was doing he was dividing the holy angelic host that was true to God from the angelic host that fell away from God. Because you see that was on the first day where he divided the light from the darkness by the capital D Day and the capital N Night which is talking about Jesus and Satan ( another symbol for Spiritwalker)
Now on the 4th day when he is dividing the light from the darkness he is talking about the regular day and regular night by the regular moon and stars with a small d and a small n see that was on the 4th day. So he divided the light from the darkness to on two separate days of creation. The first day, and the 4th day so he had about be talking about two different creations.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
( hath life that is talking about eternal life) “ and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 6th day -And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,( see the creatures in the 5th day came out of waters, now these creatures here are coming forth out of the earth) “ Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.( See God created a man and a woman in his image and likeness on the 6th day. This is not the Adam and Eve that we know about.)
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. ( In other words they were not going to eat to any animals.)
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. ( Now you see on that 6th day of creation he said every living creature was to eat herbs and grass. Not one creature on this earth that he Is talking about will kill and eat another animal. It is not to be seen.
Jo Smith