Why Baptize in Jesus Name

[Jo Smith]

1Cor. 11:3--But I would have you know, that the HEAD (authority) of every man is Christ; and the HEAD (authority)
of Christ is God.

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Now, the Catholic church usurped the authority of Jesus and told the world it was alright to by pass the word of the apostles and baptize in the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost.

This means by their authority , or headship.

But go back and look at how Paul laid out that headship. He said Christ is the head of EVERY MAN. No man is under the authority, or direct headship of the Father. That is a place only Jesus occupies.

Peter knew this. Paul knew this. and that is why those two men, the two head apostles, baptized in the Name of Jesus. They knew they were NOT under the head of the Father; therefore they did not have the authority to INVOKE the name of the Father.

They stayed in the place Jesus put them into. They stayed under the headship, or authority of Jesus. When they baptized in the Name of Jesus, this was showing that they honoured their head as being Jesus and did not try to usurp His place as being the only one in the place to call the Power of the Father into action.

Why do you think the apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ? Do you not ever consider those Scriptures? Do you wonder why they did not say in the name of the Father and Holy Ghost? do you just over look this?

You know why? It is because the Methodist, the Baptist, the Presbytherians, the Lutherans, etc. are ALL daughters of the sleeper, the Catholic sleeper church. So if you still go by their teachings, you are obeying the sleeper.

No person other than Jesus has the right to invoke, or call into action, or power of the Father by calling His name. That is what it means, to call their name in Baptism. It calls their power into action to remit sins. We can only do this by Jesus; for He is our head.

To try to call the name of the Father, is to try to come out from under the authority of Jesus and go directly to the Father for yourself. It cannot be done. Jesus will fight you.

We are told you can only go to the Father through Jesus; for Jesus is our HEAD.

His name is sufficient. If Jesus himself baptized you He would say in the Name of the Father. He is the only one who can do it. He was telling them in Matt. 28, that by the Authority of the Father he was telling them to Baptize. That is all there is to it. He was not telling the call that when they Baptized, if he had been , they would have done so.

'In the name of' means under or by the AUTHORITY of someone or thing. So saying 'in the name of' only means I am doing this by the authority of this one. So all that we do, we must do in the name of, or under the authority of JESUS CHRIST...Do all you do in the name of Jesus.....this certainly includes water Baptism.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

<b>Ray, you claim that we twist the apostles' words to teach baptism in Jesus Name.......so I will quote Scripture here. tell me if this is what they said or not....if you say not,,,,,then you call the KJV Scriptures a lie.

If I say exactly what Peter, Paul and Phillip said, how can I be wrong?

So here is what Peter had to say on this subject of salvation:]

Ac 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Ac 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ac 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

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Now Corneilus declared that an ANGEL OF GOD TOLD HIM TO SEND FOR PETER WHO WOULD TELL HIM WORDS BY WHICH HE COULD BE SAVED..........NOW IF PETER IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED,,,,,,WHY DID AN ANGEL OF GOD TELL THIS MAN TO SEND FOR PETER? Why did not the Angel just say, go read what Jesus taught and that will give you salvation?

That is what ray says.

Here is what Peter told this Gentile family how THEY could be saved:

Ac 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Ac 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ac 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Ac 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.



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See, same words he told those Jews who asked him how to be saved. Is this how you tell people how to be saved? If not, why have you changed it? Who told you to change it?

It said they received the Holy Ghost just as those did on the day of Pentecost......how did they know? FOR......they heard them speak in [what? jibbish?}</b>

[Jo Smith]

Now the Word declares that Phillip was a man FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST......so he must know the truth?

Here is what he told people on how to be saved:
Ac 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Ac 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Ac 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Ac 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Ac 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Ac 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


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Now here we find the very same thing Peter told them. Here we find they also received the Holy Ghost and were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.

[Jo Smith]

Now what about the great Apostle to the Gentiles? what did he say about this plan of salvation? Now after you read this, please show me where I have added to it, taken away from it or twisted it in any kind of way.

I am only quoting the KJV on this. If you do not agree with this, then you may as well come right out and totally denounce this Holy Book and call it all a lie. If this much is not to be believed, then none of it is trustworthy.

Afterwards, I CHALLENGE you to go find me just one single verse, where just one single man of God ever baptized sayng the words, In the Name of the Father or Holy Ghost. I challenge all of you who deny this way of bapitzing that ALL THE NT ministers stayed true to-- show me one instance in the Word of God where anyone ever baptized any other way EXCEPT IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

Now if not one of them did, surely you must KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE....and I say it is with you.....not with the Word of God.

Ac 19:1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Ac 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We Ac 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Ac 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Ac 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Ac 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Ac 19:7And all the men were about twelve.

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Now there is three witnesses of NT Ministers, all saying the very same thing......repent, be baptized in water in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking on other tongues.



They all did this.

ray, you say you are working out your salvation....all I can say to you, is. .you better get to obeying this if you want salvation.....there is no other way recorded in the word of God.

You say you study the plan of salvation....here it is out of the mouth of Peter, Paul, and Phillip....do you know more than they did? if so then maybe you should be the one to write the Scripture?

Maybe God and Jesus made a mistake in sending Peter, Paul, and Phillip

[Jo Smith]

Acts 8: 26. And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28. Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31. And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33. In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35. Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37. And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
40. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.


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Now, this is so clear, I see no need for me to even comment.

[Jo Smith]

From: Isaiah Sent: 10/9/2002 8:22 AM

Pillar, You say Baptism is NOT Water Baptism. You say this is spiritual, not natural. You say I do not understand Baptism ---- well I say to you, let's allow the Word of God to tell us about this:


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16:23
And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
16:24
Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
16:26
And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
16:27
And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
16:28
But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
16:29
Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
16:30
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved ? ( watch below in vs.33 how he links baptism with being saved.)
16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
16:32
And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
16:33
And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes *; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.( See how important baptism is in being saved, see they asked Paul and Silas had to preach baptism to them and look they did it in the same hour. If it was spiritual as you say Pillar why wou ld they do it in the same hour?
You also stated- God is here with us and we must cast off the dead works and he will give you light, but as the scripture says ,not many mighty men after the flesh is called. ( So I suppose that Paul and Silas were doing dead works here when they baptized the jailer and they were not called of God to do this.

[Jo Smith]

From: joie Sent: 10/10/2002 5:14 PM
Now as to how to baptize ---- God has established a LAW that every Word of God is established with two or three 'witnesses'. Paul taught this; so we know it is true in the N.T. as well as the O.T.

Since at least three Scriptures outright expresses that the apostles ALWAYS Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, this is the ESTABLISHED way of doing it.

Now to you who hold that you have the authority to be baptized saying in the name of the Father, I ask you to bring forth even ONE Scripture which shows that anyone ever received baptism that way. Just one. Not the required two or three. And know that if you cannot, it is not ESTABLISHED as an accepted way with God.

Jo

[Jo Smith]

John-3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot * enter into the kingdom of God. ( you can see from this that Jesus said you must be borned of the water and the spirit.If he had meant that water was the word why did he not say that you must be borned of the word and the spirit?
Water in the above verse means- water

of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools
of the water of the deluge
of water in any of the earth's repositories
of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted
of the waves of the sea
fig. used of many peoples
It also means water ( as it rains) lit.or fig.- rain, esp.a shower
Water also means the same thing in the verse that Joie used above about the Eunuch -

8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized (Notice that he said certain water and also that it could be seen both by the Eunuch. and by Stephen.
Another thing in John chapter 3 where Jesus said you must be borned of the water and of the spirit.Was this not the same thing that Peter said in Acts 2:38 where he said to be baptized in the name of Jesus and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.Is this not the same thing that Jesus said in John chapter 3 ?
Now once again to show how that we are to be baptized -
Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10
48 And he commanded ( see I hope that you can see this is a commandment) them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ( Now what is the name of the Lord? Is it not Jesus? Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is not a name people.) Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 22
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. ( once again linking baptism with the name which is Jesus because he said calling on the name of the Lord which is Jesus.
My prayers for all is that they see this beautiful message and that it was done in love for us all. To deny the name of Jesus means that if you do deny his name in baptism which is of the water and spirit.

[Jo Smith]

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

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It said that by the authority of the Word of God, the baptism in Water according to the established way, established by God in His Word with at least three witnesses, that by this Baptism, according to the Word of God, this baptism WASHES AWAY OUR SINS.

Sure the BLOOD of Jesus has to do this; but this only happens if you obey the Word as God gave it. You cannot, I can't say this loud enough, You CANNOT just ignore God's chosen way and get Jesus to cleanse you by his blood !

Paul the apostle and writter of most of the N.T. declared this about his own conversion: Acts 23: 16--and now why tarriest thou? arise, and be BAPTIZED, AND WASH AWAY THY SINS, calling on the NAME OF THE LORD.

See, here Paul states that by His Baptism, calling on the Name of the Lord, he had his sins remitted, or washed away, fitting exactly what Peter the Apostle had told that crowd of people in Acts 2, when they asked how to be saved.

I am telling you, you have to ignore too many Scriptures and call them a lie to cling to you belief. Does this not scare you? It sure would me. When one has the Truth, it will FIT EVERY WRITTEN WORD.
Else you call God a lie.