Filthy Lucre

[isaiah]

From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 6/11/2005 11:43 PM

~ Filthy Lucre ~

James 5: 1. Come now, ye rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you.
2. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
3. Your gold and your silver are rusted; and their rust shall be for a testimony against you, and shall eat your flesh as fire. Ye have laid up your treasure in the last days.
4. Behold, the hire of the laborers who mowed your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth out: and the cries of them that reaped have entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.

Now this Scripture shows that it is not filthy lucre to be paid for labour on a job. These rich men cheated their field workers and God was angry about this.

Titus 1:7. For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
8. but given to hospitality, as lover of good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled;

Now see that this is speaking of doing a work of God and that since they desired money for it, it is called flithy lucre?

Jesus gave some parables of paying men for working in a vineyard. So it is not filthy to receive pay for manual labour or a job. But it is filthy lucre when it is money given for the work of God.

Same chapter: 9. holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict the gainsayers.
10. For there are many unruly men, vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision,
11. whose mouths must be stopped; men who overthrow whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

See that these were 'teachers' but they were vain talkers and deceivers for they received money which is filthy lucre for their teaching.

He said those who teach against this are teaching sound doctrine. But those who teach for money overthrow whole houses and teaching things they ought not, FOR FILTHY LUCRE'S SAKE.

THEY WERE TEACHING FOR MONEY. God speaks against this very highly.
People this is God's word, not mine. You are fighting God, not me.

1 Timothy 3: 1. This is a true saying, If a man seeketh the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2. The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, orderly, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3. not given to wine, no striker, not GREEDY of FILTHY LUCRE; but patient, not a brawler, not COVETOUS.

Now this is also connecting money as FILTHY LUCRE when it is with the work of the Lord. This is a greedy man desiring the office of a bishop for the purpose of receiving money as pay for the work.

Both this and the one in Titus said for this person to be given to HOSPITALITY. But are they? No they are GREEDY OF FILTHY LUCRE.

Now go mock God if you hate this truth!

Mock on! Your reaping day will come on you. Noah did not reach anyone. Jeremiah did not reach anyone. why? Because it was time for destruction.

so looks a whole lot like that to me today also.

Beware. Woe to those who fight truth.

Same chapter: 8. Deacons in like manner must be grave, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9. holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

Now this is another work for God, that of being a deacon. They are also told not to be greedy of FILTHY LUCRE.

1Pe 5:2 -Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;


See then that money is only called FILTHY LUCRE when it is given in return for doing a work of God.

God rebuked the Israelites In Mal. because they would not open the door of his house for nought, or pay. They would not even start a fire there for nothing. They had to be paid. Sounds like God is very much against having to 'pay' someone to work for him.

Now for the only other place this word 'lucre' is mentioned in the Word:

1 Samuel 8: 1. And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
2. Now the name of his first-born was Joel; and the name of his second, Abijah: they were judges in Beer-sheba.

3. And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted justice.

4. Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah;
5. and they said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

See that the sons of Samuel were not like Samuel. They wanted money for their work. God saw this as evil. The people saw it as evil and refused them and asked for a king over this matter.

So this is the OT and the NT both saying that it is evil to receive pay for doing a work of God.

Now, any of you who disagree with this, go find one single verse of Scripture saying it is right to PAY THE MINISTERS OF GOD.

I am not speaking of a love gift to that person. Know that. But a big fat salary is FILTHY LUCRE. Any Pay for doing the work of God is FILTHY LUCRE.

I would say you better think of eternal life instead of setting pretty here. Deny your flesh and take up your CROSS AND FOLLOW JESUS. HE HAD NO WHERE TO LAY HIS HEAD.

HE SAID THE FOXES HAVE MORE THAN I HAVE.

So where does that leave you?

By: Jo smith

[isaiah]

From: joie Sent: 6/11/2005 11:44 PM

I find that the term 'filthy lucre' in the Scriptures only refers to receiving pay for doing the work of God......... it does not speak of pay for a manual job or anything else of that nature.

Lucre is only in connection with the work of God; not a wordly job. This is something I did not know until I did this study.

[isaiah]

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 Sent: 12/4/2005 7:54 PM

Jude 20. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,21. Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Now read that. He is telling us to build up ourselves in holy faith and the way to do this is praying in the Holy Ghost. So if you do not have the Holy Ghost how are you going to pray in the Holy Ghost?

He said keep yourselves in the love of God, then what.......? Looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ UNTO eternal life.

Now does this sound like what we were taught in 'church'? Nope, sure does not. They all teach that we ALREADY HAVE BEEN GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE.

So what did this do? It led people to believe they already have eternal life and can therefore never be lost no matter what they do or do not do in this life. I tell you, this is one of the worst and most dangerous lies in this whole world. It causes people to live half-hearted lives and never pray; never read the Word, never witness or try to teach others; and to just do as they please in the flesh. All this time believing they are 'saved' and on their way to Heaven.

But see this said looking for His mercy UNTO ETERNAL LIFE. Now that is saying it is something yet to be.

If you already had eternal life, then you could not die. The fact that all still die proves we are all still in a mortal body headed to death. Therefore it COULD NOT BE ETERNAL LIFE.

Jesus did not even have eternal life until His resurrection. And none of us are going to have eternal life until our resurrection either. We are only in temperal, mortal life now. Sure it says we are passed from death unto life; but that only means he gave us spirit life from the Holy Ghost as that we are now no longer dead in tresspasses and sin.

But here is the danger. If you go back to living a sinful life, then you are again dead in trespasses and sin.

You are still headed to hell. Better wake up and see the real truth and not what the 'church' teaches. They are all teaching lies.

[isaiah]

From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22 Sent: 12/4/2005 7:58 PM

What did the Protestant Reformation bring forth? Anyone have a clue? I just wonder what you all think of this. I know lots of people believe this was one of the open doors mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

But I want someone to show me how that was an open door? I will give you Scripture for what it brought forth.

Rev. 17: 3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

There now that is what the reformation brought forth = the harlot daughters of mama whore, the Catholic church.

Yes, this is exactly all that brought forth, more little whores against God and his real truth.

How do I know? Just look at the description of mama and daughters. It is the same.

I saw the woman arrayed in purple and scarlet colour and DECKED WITH GOLD AND PRECIOUS STONES AND PEARLS WITH A CUP FULL OF ABOMINATIONS AND FILTHINESS.

Now see that all the protestant churches fit this same description? Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing. Fancy, lavish buildings. Big bank accounts. abominations? Yes, full of them. Just look around you at all the idols they worship --- Santa, Satan, easter bunnies, egg hunts. sunrise services, high, expensive steeples on their idol temples, proud, haughty, etc. and by the way, look at all their abominable names: --- (just will name a few to show you what I mean).--- Possum creak (mostly baptist churches go by these kinds of names. but the rest are not much better)-

Blacks creek, ceader sholes, walnut grove, sanford grove, clouds creek, etc. If this is not abominable names I don't know what else it could be. Believe me I have seen all of these and much worse. (grove worship is always associated with idols). Lots of them have grove in their names. It identifies them.

God is nowhere to be found.

I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus. Now I grant you if you check the history of all the protestant churches back a ways, you will find that they ALL killed others who did not go along with them, just as their mama Catholic had done. And if you check the history you will find that all those early reformers never did truly in their hearts break away from believing those popes and that catholic mess. They only went a step down the street. But they camped on mama's doorsteps. They continued all the idolatous holidays which are nothing but devil worship.

They continued to let one man rule over the whole church and PAID him to do so. (just try to get one away from that system and see the war you will stir up!).

If God leads you one step, and you obey YOU CAN REST ASSURED HE WILL THEN SHOW YOU ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS.

Walk in the light as he gives you light. Walking is not standing still. He never said stand still in the light. He meant for us to KEEP WALKING as he leads the way with his light shinging on your pathway.

He never leads you into darkness. But look at the Lutheran, the Methedist, the Baptist and all the rest. What did they do? They took one step and then QUIT. Sat down. denominated on one verse and one doctrine.

I grant you God tried to show every single one of them ANOTHER STEP TO TAKE. I grant you He did. But they refused to go one more step. Yes, they camped on mama whore's doorstep and refused to get out into the deep waters of the Word.

So they all died as surely as mama is dead. So all the reformation brought forth is more dead harlots.

Amen! Like it or not this is pure truth. And that is why they are all DEAD, WRETCHED, POOR, BLIND, NAKED, IN NEED OF NOTHING --YET DEAD TODAY AS THE LAODICIAN CHURCH.

Jo, not afraid to tell the truth.

[isaiah]

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> (Original Message) Sent: 6/27/2006 2:28 PM~ Filthy Lucre ~

James 5: 1. Come now, ye rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you.
2. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
3. Your gold and your silver are rusted; and their rust shall be for a testimony against you, and shall eat your flesh as fire. Ye have laid up your treasure in the last days.
4. Behold, the hire of the laborers who mowed your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth out: and the cries of them that reaped have entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.

Now this Scripture shows that it is not filthy lucre to be paid for labour on a job. These rich men cheated their field workers and God was angry about this.

Titus 1:7. For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
8. but given to hospitality, as lover of good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled;

Now see that this is speaking of doing a work of God and that since they desired money for it, it is called flithy lucre?

Jesus gave some parables of paying men for working in a vineyard. So it is not filthy to receive pay for manual labour or a job. But it is filthy lucre when it is money given for the work of God.