Temple worship

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From: isaiah (Original Message) Sent: 3/21/2002 7:41 PM

Just some more things that I have seen about Eze.-8:16-And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house,and behold at the door of the temple of the LORD between the porch and the altar,were about five and twenty men with their faces toward the east ;and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

What I see here the door is Jesus . John 10:7-Then Jesus said unto them again,Verily,verily,I say unto you,I am the door of the sheep.

John-10:1-Verily,verily,I say unto you,He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way,the same is a thief and a robber.

1 Cor.-3:16-17-Know you not that ye are the temple of God,and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?Vs17-If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;for the temple of God is holy ,which temple ye are.

Acts-7:48-Howbeit the most High dwellest not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet

With their faces toward the east, we know that the face is in the front.The word east does not mean what you think of as direction. The word east here means [the front,aforetime,ancient time,old,past.]

And they worshipped the sun toward the east,we know the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west.The bible says the sun went down on the prophets [law].So if the sun went down on the prophets and they had their backs toward the temple of God.They were serving the O.T.way.We read where we were the temple of God.

They were trying to enter in some other way than Jesus because he said that he was the door.They are over there worshipping buildings,easter bunnies,Easter eggs, allman made stuff.They are trying to come in some other way than by grace.The same as a thief and a robber. So much more I could add to this but I will stop here.

May the LORD BLESS.AMEN

Just some more things that I have seen about Eze.-8:16-And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house,and behold at the door of the temple of the LORD between the porch and the altar,were about five and twenty men with their faces toward the east ;and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

What I see here the door is Jesus . John 10:7-Then Jesus said unto them again,Verily,verily,I say unto you,I am the door of the sheep.

John-10:1-Verily,verily,I say unto you,He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way,the same is a thief and a robber.

1 Cor.-3:16-17-Know you not that ye are the temple of God,and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?Vs17-If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;for the temple of God is holy ,which temple ye are.

Acts-7:48-Howbeit the most High dwellest not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet

With their faces toward the east, we know that the face is in the front.The word east does not mean what you think of as direction. The word east here means [the front,aforetime,ancient time,old,past.]

And they worshipped the sun toward the east,we know the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west.The bible says the sun went down on the prophets [law].So if the sun went down on the prophets and they had their backs toward the temple of God.They were serving the O.T.way.We read where we were the temple of God.

They were trying to enter in some other way than Jesus because he said that he was the door.They are over there worshipping buildings,easter bunnies,Easter eggs, allman made stuff.They are trying to come in some other way than by grace.The same as a thief and a robber. So much more I could add to this but I will stop here.

May the LORD BLESS.AMEN

[isaiah]

from: joie Sent: 3/21/2002 8:20 PM

Isaiah, You are just so much into the true revelation!! God has greatly blessed you with an understanding of the true way of worship.

Your post went twice; again. But know what? I think it should stay this time. You know as I read this, I thought how God always bears witness with truth with two witnesses. I believe this is something Spiritual going on here. I believe God is trying to drive this truth home to people.

The way you bring out the true, hidden meanings of these things is something people need to take heed to. I believe the time is short when God will let the 'sun' go down on this materialistic church in the world today. I believe with all my heart they are a disgrace to the Living and Holy God.

I think of how Jesus called Peter Satan when he was savoring the things which be of man. Truly that is what the whole church world is doing. They know nothing about Godly things. They sneer at the things of God. You know, most people sneer at those who speak in tongues--- then I would ask, how do they feel about Paul? He said, I thank God I speak with tongues more than you all. So, how do they think he was 'alright'? They think we are terrible who speak in tongues.

More and more I see how completely wrong it is to cling to any part of the cast away with old covenant. But, this must be the main thing which causes God to do away with this 'church'; because they trample his Son's blood and count the covenant in his blood an unholy thing; for they desire to go back to the old way.

God said, I will do a new thing. That is forever true. God NEVER goes BACK to something he has already done away with. And it is very clear that he did away with the old law covenant.

The more we try to show people the Grace way; the more the crowd grows who are following and fighting for the old law way. Don't they see that if they go by the law, they become guilty and are doomed? I find it very hard to understand why they desire this so much. Why do they hate Grace? Why do they hate the precious NAME OF JESUS?

Jo

[isaiah]

From: isaiah Sent: 4/29/2002 5:23 PM

To: Joie

What is really so amazing to me is that I had just been talking to some people that came to visit us about the judgment ministry and the Holy Ghost with fire. I also was talking to them about temple worship then I came in here and you had brought these posts up on the same thing that I was trying to show them.

I went in the book of Acts and was showing them where in Acts where Steven was witnessing :

Acts-7:47-50- Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

007:047 But Solomon built him an house.

007:048 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

007:049 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

007:050 Hath not my hand made all these things?

Joie I had no intentions to say what I am fixing to say here but as I was looking at this I also saw something else in the following vs.

Acts-7:51-54- Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. { see what this is showing here is that their fathers refused to come over into the new testament convent and they refused the baptism of the Holy Ghost and their children was doing the same thing. They refused to hear the words of the apostles and they were still uncircumcised. In other words they refused to be cut and then cleaned by the word.}

007:052 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: { see what was happening they were also once again doing the same as their fathers. Bringing persecution and murdering the NT saints.}

007:053 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

007:054 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

See what happened here Steven begin to come against these temples and the law that they could not keep and the first thing they did was the same as others were doing. They became mad and killed Steven. Joie sorry about this but it is everywhere in the book.

Acts-7:60-And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.{ this is the Holy Ghost speaking here not the Holy Ghost with Fire and I will show the fire later}

Stephen was only doing what the scriptures said to do.

Mat.-5:44-But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; { it will not always be this way with the baptism of fire and I will try to show you this on farther down.}

Now back to these temples.

Acts-17:23-For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.{ see here God said he is unknown in these temples made by hand and they have become ignorant in thinking that he is there.}

017:024 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;{ see once again he said he does not dwell there}

017:025 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;{ see there worship is in vain}

I showed some of this in my question where does God live? I may have repeated a lot of this

Now to show just a little of the judgment ministry or the Holy Ghost with fire.

John 20:23- Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever ye retain, they are retained.[ see there will be a day when the baptism of fire comes that we will not say forgive them but will be like Paul in the book of Acts.]

Acts-5:3-005:004 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

005:005 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

005:006 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 005:007 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

005:008 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

005:009 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

005:010 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband { see Peter was entering into the judgment ministry here. He was the one that had to do it first because he had the keys to bound and to set free.}

Math.-26:51-And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear { you can see this also in different books. One book Jesus tells Peter you don’t know what spirit you are in. See fire is always associated with the judgment ministry. Fire is something that will destroy.

We can also see this in Rev.-11-3-6- And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

11:4- These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

11:5- And if any man will hurt them, fire proceeded out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

11:6- These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.{ see they will have the power from God to do all these things because they will have the Holy Ghost with fire, You can also see this in Joel. I had more on this but cannot at this time get access t the bible on this community and I do not at this time want to do all the typing that I would have to do. May the Lord Bless.

[isaiah]

From: joie Sent: 4/30/2002 12:10 AM
My Dear Friend, Isaiah,

Do NOT appologize ever for teaching any part of the Word of God!! I will NOT, I do not appologize for the truth. I will not be INTIMIDATED by others ugly rejection of truth and their insults to me for teaching the truth.

As you said, it is in every book. These things you spoke of here, are also in the Scriptures I am studying now in Jeremiah. I have not had a chance yet to type these things up; but hope to do so real soon.

It is late at night; and I am very tired and my throat is is big MESS. But I wanted to check the board before going to bed. This is such a blessing to me. God bless you, my dear brother, for your great ministry. God bless your dear wife, my very special friend. I asked her for your prayers tonight for my throat.

It was much better; but Wanna and I went to Alabama today to see a very, very, extremely rare bird for this southern part of U.S. They called it 'past phenominal'.

We preached so much to each other all the way there ( a four hour drive)-- till my throat is worse now than it was Saturday.

But my God will heal it. I told my precious daughter, as we rode and the great Spirit of God came into the car with us an gave me some prophecy for a certain town as we passed through it, -- I said you know what? All those many peoples who go to 'church' with the 'crowds' probably never have near as much 'church' and praise and worship as we two had riding in that car going to see one of God's lovely creatures.

I prayed and asked God to lead us to the bird and the bird to us. I said, God you made him; we are your children, those who have already seen him may not be; so I ask you to let us see this wonderful creature.

Know What? I tell this to the praise and glory of My God--- Just as soon as we parked the car-- a man and woman waved to us and called us over; they said there he is. He was just sitting there letting us fill our hearts with seeing him. Glory. We got very close to him. Wanna made some pitcures of him. I hope they turn out good; if so I hope she will post it here so I can show it to this community.

Later, we went to eat. When we arrived back, again just as soon as we parked, another couple called us over; and there he was just letting us get almost close enough to touch him. He is a very tame type bird. He is called a Clark's nutcracker. The North Westerners probably see him a lot. But we southerners, easterners, have not had that chance. He is not known to have ever come this far east or south.

God answer my prayer. We found him just as soon as we arrived; or rather were led right to him.
Then we got our very best ever look, heart's content look at the unbelievably beautiful white breasted Nuthatch.

But Isaiah, I know God has called us both to teach the truth of the damning sin, the unforgivable sin or returning back to the law covenant which is sanctified by the blood of bulls and goats; and I am going to teach it no matter what anyone else thinks about it. God has shown me to teach it and keep teaching it . All who refuse truth will loose their soul. We will not have their blood on our hands.

I have more to show about this, than my poor hands can get typed up. God help us.

I know people think they can 'think' they are coming under the blood of Jesus and then going back to live by law; but God proves this is not possible. The Scripture in Heb. 6 which I posted last night proves it can not be done. If God sanctified that covenant by the blood of bulls and goats, he is not going to change it. That is how they trample the blood of Jesus under their feet. God will not ever forgive this; if one does it knowingly.

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When David brought the Ark of the Covenant back to Jerusalem, He DANCED before the LORD with ALL his might, out in the streets, publicly. He was NOT ashamed of this kind of worship.

But what about little Miss Michael? Saul's daughter - David's wife?

She had this modern day Church spirit -- she looked at David dancing before the Lord and she dispised him in her heart because of this display of freedom worship.

Now which one pleased God? The dancing David, or the prim and proper Michael? God struck Michael with 'childlessness' for all her life because she dispised this dancing before the Lord.

Most of your church people today still have this 'Michael' spirit ~~~~ they despise this type of worship. (maybe this is why the church world is 'childless' to God?

But God said David was a man after his own heart. Seems pretty clear to me that God loved David - not Michael.

[isaiah]

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameJerubbaal2002</NOBR> Sent: 9/3/2002 11:30 AM

Joie
A friend once said to me " it is the Musik and song's we are dancing do.

[isaiah]

From: Sarah Sent: 9/3/2002 11:39 AM
John, I have done plenty of 'dancing' in the Spirit; and there was no music playing. I do it right at home with no one here but me. No music.

Your friend must not have had the Spirit.

[isaiah]

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameJerubbaal2002</NOBR> Sent: 9/3/2002 4:28 PM
Sarah
first of all I want to welcome you.
the same women told it to me, she also said you have more bark then bite.
When I said Musik and Song's.
you where Dancing to the Musik in your Hart,

[isaiah]

From: isaiah Sent: 9/3/2002 8:05 PM
I will have to agree with you both. I have seen people as long as the beat of the music was going on, they could dance, run shout with the best of them. But when the beat of the music stopped they would to and we know that all they were doing was getting body excerise and we know what the Bible says about that in 1 Tim.- 4:8-
4:8

For bodily exercise profiteth * little *: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.


That is the reason that it said body excerise profiteth little talking about spiritual because we know in the natural that body excerise does profit us.

I have also seeen people worshiping and praising God when there was no music and nobody around and it is so beautiful. You know what when things are going good and the beat of the music is going it is so easy for some to worship God. but let things start going bad and things are not going their way and see what happens.

I don't know how many looked at these pictures of my wife but let me me show them what true worship and dancing in the spirit is.

To-day the Lord reveled to me what true praise is. I happen to find some pictures of my wife that I had forgot that I had.

I was fixing to email them to Sis Joie when God spoke to me and said this is what it means to worship me in truth and spirit. Here this woman had every thing happening in her life and she is worshiping me, not to be seen of man. I hope this pictures comes thru

Here she is worshipping God while she is talking on the phone to someone about the goodness of God and she is also worshipping and shouting in the kitchen not to be seen of man.

Lord this is my prayer that I also worship yo when things are not going the way that I think they should. Let me worship you as she did.

There was no music here when she was praising and dancing before the Lord and also the only one there was me and things were not going the best in her life.

Beautiful,Beautiful, Beautiful.

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From: Sarah Sent: 9/3/2002 8:24 PM

I think you make too much of whether music is going or not. It makes no difference to God. Music is very much a part of true worship to God. It is all through the Word. Music can have a very sweet spirit or a jivy spirit. The sweet spirit of music carries our heart and thoughts to the love of God. It inspires us to worship and adore God.

The 'jivy' music so many picked up on today is not of God; it is of Satan or flesh. This moves a lot of the faking Christians. But true Christians can be moved on by sweet music.

David used to play for King Saul when the evil spirit was on Saul; and the music helped drive away the evil spirit. Then Saul would be allright for a while. Now don't tell me this use of music was evil. No. It was good.

My own heart is moved on by the sweetness of music. If one dances with music to the glory of God, this is good.. So what if they stop when the music stops? What differance does it make? At least they were willing, like King David to get up there and do it for God. God knows why they do it. If they do it for a wrong reason, that is up to God.

Just because they stop when the music stops does not mean they were not in the Spirit. The Spirit used music a lot of times.

Criticize those who condemn this kind of worship. Those who are too 'proud' to do it. Too fleshy. I tell you it is a lot more of the FLESH to refuse to let God move on you, than it is to move with the music and worship and glorify God in dance. God loves it.
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From: isaiah Sent: 9/3/2002 9:41 PM

God also loves those that worship him when the music is not going on. Turn the volume up and you can see them even worship more, I know there are still some music we can worship God with but not this that is going on today. They even have music that they call rock gospel.

I will agree that as you said Music can have a very sweet spirit or a jivy spirit. The sweet spirit of music carries our heart and thoughts to the love of God. It inspires us to worship and adore God.But also look what you said

The 'jivy' music so many picked up on today is not of God; it is of Satan or flesh. This moves a lot of the faking Christians. You look at most of the music today and tell me what catergory it fits in and most of the worship today.And also look at the lives these people are living that are worshipping and dancing before God and by this you can tell if it is true worship. If they are living for Satan and going in on Sunday or anytime and dancing before God with the music and then stopping with the music this is not a true Christian.

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From: Sarah Sent: 9/3/2002 10:21 PM
Isaiah, I know that a lot of the time it is not in the right Spirit. I am not saying that. What I am saying is that JUST because one stopped when the Music stopped does not mean it was in the flesh. Sometimes I have experienced this, that I would be in the Spirit, but when the music stopped, it also broke the Spirit. Not always, of course.

Once I was sitting in a church, just sitting there, not even thinking of worshipping and certainly not thinking of dancing. The Service was almost over. A man came from the back of the church and went down the aisle, to go to the altar to pray and get right with God. When that man went past me, The Spirit of God picked me up, in the Spirit and danced me down to the front of the Church and danced me all about. I say He danced me, I was not doing it. I was not in control.

When it finally stopped, I was DRUNK. Quite a glorious experience. And I have had many such things to happen. That is why it kind of gets my 'dander' up for people to speak lightly of this Spiritual blessing. It is one of the most beautiful and wonderful things in all existance.

Sarah

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From: joie Sent: 9/7/2002 12:27 PM
One cannot judge all music as Satanic. One cannot even judge which is and which is not, unless they have the true Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

some formal, dead churches have such DEAD music and 'funeral' type singing, that it is a disgrace to the LIFE AND JOY OF THE LIVING GOD.

They would have the world believe there is NO JOY in serving God.

I thank My God He has enabled me to be able to tell the differance and know which is of God and which is not. It really does not depend on the 'beat' or the sounds; nor does it depend on the Words.

It is the SPIRIT which counts. And many of you think you know the Holy Ghost when in reality you hate the Holy Ghost and all His requirements of Holy Living.

Jo

[isaiah]

From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname·Spiritwalker</NOBR> Sent: 9/11/2002 1:54 PM

Recently on tv one morning, my daughter walked by and said, "what is going on there?" I told her the woman was dancing in the Spirit and it was my first time to "see it" myself....and me...I do not put down anything done in the Spirit....I've been outside on my deck singing, listening to music, and just dance from one end of it to the other, and yes, I can raise my hands pretty good too...that's good for a raised up Methodist, you know....I don't gamble, but I'd bet you that the day Jesus got baptized and the Father spoke to Him...don't you think Jesus came out of that water just a little bit "happy"? Don't you think His feet danced around too? I would just about bet you that Jesus danced in the Spirit....many times....sure enough did!
Love,
"Spiritwalker"

[isaiah]

From: starlight Sent: 9/11/2002 2:02 PM
Hello Spiritwalker,

My, you do bring out some good thoughts! Yes, I remember reading somewhere that Jesus REJOICED IN SPIRIT.

Now, I just bet (agreeing with you) that He was doing some dancing just as David did.
After all, we know it certainlly shows that He spoke in tongues on a number of occasions; for it said it was interpreted.

I wonder if these people who put it down today, just disregard what David did; or do they also think he was a nut.?

I have done some of it myself, and believe me it is MOST WONDEFUL INDEED.

I was not raised to it myself; but got so sick of that dead church, I just looked around and found one which REJOICED IN SPIRIT. so I just joined in with them.

Never have regretted it either. Still rejoice in Spirit today.

Starlight

[Jo Smith]

My, some mighty good stuff in this thread. Just read it all again. So good to review all these things and get inspired anew.