Post by Jo Smith on Feb 12, 2014 15:30:31 GMT -5
~ Begotten ~ ***9/11/05
What is the Word of God calling begotten children? Is it speaking of one’s natural children? If so, then why does the Word say that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham? Of course in the flesh it does at times call natural children begotten. But for the most part, God is speaking of spiritual children.
One must learn to ‘hear’ the Word of God Spiritually in order to get the truth. For instance read this: Nu11:12 Have I conceived all this people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?
See that - a nursing father? Now in the natural, who ever heard of a nursing father? See this has to be spiritual. He is speaking of the father who feeds his children the Word or milk of God.
Isa49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath BEGOTTEN me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?
Now that is Jesus speaking. He is speaking of the NT Christians when he asked who has begotten me these. He lost the other children, which were the OT Law people. So this ‘begotten’ has to be spiritual. He is asking who converted all these people to me or in other words, who ‘fathered’ them in the gospel. Who brought them into the kingdom of God.
Ho 5:3 I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled. Ho 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD. Ho 5:5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.
Ho 5:6 They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them. [This is because God turned to the NT salvation. They were trying to still find God under law, but it can not be done.]
Ho 5:7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.
Ho 5:8 Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin.
Ho 5:9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be.
See that the above Scripture is speaking of Israel being defiled and a whore against God. This reaches down to the end when the church is in this same condition of whoredoms. See verse nine, he said among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be. He has shown all that is to come later, in those twelve tribes. So this condition is in the church today. They have begotten strange children. This means they are pretending to be the children of God, but they are in fact Satan’s children, for they were begotten of whoredom.
It is totally spiritual. If you try to understand this from a natural standpoint, you will miss it completely.
Now see this dealing treacherously against the LORD by begetting STRANGE children would have to be spiritual. It is saying these ‘churched’ people are not truly born of God, for they brought up another ‘plan’ of salvation other than that which God set up on the Day of Pentecost. There is no other means of salvation. If you try to convert children to God some other way, they are STRANGE children. They are not begotten of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now everyone, carefully read those verses. It is speaking of God and His Word. It is NOT speaking of Jesus. It said the WORD was with God and the Word was God. It did not say Jesus was with God and Jesus was God. It did not say that at all. When it said all things were made by him, it is speaking of God. All things were made by God and His Word.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Now I have written many message explaining the above verse. But people are fully indoctrinated with error that they cannot receive the truth. This is NOT speaking of the natural birth of Jesus as a human being. The Word was not made into a human person. We are not told that we must eat this human person in order to have eternal life. Go into Romans 1:3 and you will see that Jesus was only called the begotten Son on the day of his resurrection, not the day he was born as a baby. Now the resurrected Christ was in the image of God. The human baby was in the image of sinful man.
So the begotten Son of God was the risen Christ. This was the manchild of Jesus, not Mary. It was the inner man of Jesus brought forth out of the grave in perfection. This was when, where, and how the Word was made flesh. It is Spiritual Flesh. It is not natural flesh. Only in the glorification was Jesus in the image of God. Even then, He is not God. He is only given to be our God because of his total obedience to God. This man, raised from the dead by God himself, is the one and only human being which God himself begot in his own likeness and image. All the rest of us will be begotten by Jesus into the likeness and image of Jesus. God said he predestinated for us to become transformed into the image of his son.
See also that Jesus called us HIS children. We are begotten of Jesus. So to call Jesus God is to totally miss the fact that Jesus was the only human being God has ever or will ever give to set upon the throne of God and rule as God with all the same power and authority of God.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
See here that it said no man hath seen God at ANY TIME. So if Jesus were God, then this would be incorrect, would it not? But he said the only begotten Son has declared him. This is the resurrected Christ. HE is the only begotten Son of God. The rest of us will be raised up from the dead by Jesus Christ. Thus we are the begotten children of Jesus, and through Jesus we are sons of God.
Ac 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, Ac 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ac 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Now notice that he proves right here that the day God beget this Son was the day He raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus is declared to be the first BEGOTTEN from the dead. So this verse alone proves the ‘Begotten’ is not speaking of when Mary birthed Jesus. Was she the dead? Of course not. There is just too much proof of this in the Word of God for so many to be totally deceived about this.
1Cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
1Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Cor 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
Now there is full proof that the begetting is spiritual. See that Paul said they are his children for he begot them through the gospel. It was not natural, it was spiritual. See also that he called Timotheous his son. This is not natural, but spiritual, for we know that Timothy was not the natural son of Paul. Paul begot him in the gospel as a child of God.
Phm 1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
This verse also proves that Paul was speaking of converting them to Christ when he said I have begotten them. Surely you know that Paul did not naturally beget Onesimus while in his bonds?
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Now see this says that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham. Yet we know that Abraham also had Ishmael before he had Isaac. So then it has to be speaking of the SPIRITUAL child here. It is showing here that the begotten is speaking of the one to whom the spiritual seed of God would pass. See that Ishmael is not counted for the spiritual seed here. Sure Abraham beget Ishmael in the natural, but don’t you see here that it said Isaac was the only begotten Son of Abraham? Also Abraham had five other sons by Keturah after Sarah died. They are also not called his begotten son here. So this thing is showing that the spiritual seed passed through Isaac and none of the others. This verse alone PROVES that when it speaks of the ‘begotten’ son, it is showing the one through which the SPIRITUAL SEED PASSES. Learn this!
1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Now there is more proof that the begotten has to do with the spiritual birth and this is connected with the resurrection of Jesus. It is just solidly proven in all these Scriptures. This revelation shows that God, the Father, passed His Holy Seed of Life through Jesus Christ down to us! My, what glory!
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
There is more proof that the time Jesus was begotten was at the time of his resurrection. So it is speaking spiritual and not natural. It is not speaking of when Mary gave birth to Jesus. It is speaking of when God raised him from the DEAD.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
There is where, when, and how Jesus was set up by God to be worshipped as God. It does not mean that Jesus is actually God. It means that we now worship Jesus and this makes him be our God. He is also our Father in that he is the one who begets us to God. He passes his Holy Seed into us. So by this we are begotten of Jesus. We become sons of God through Jesus Christ.
Now for one more proof before I go into the genealogies.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Ro9:7 Neither, because they are the SEED OF ABRAHAM, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Now don’t you see here that all the natural seed of Abraham are not counted as his children. The Spiritual seed are the children. The promise to Abraham was to his seed through faith, therefore it passed only through those who came into grace or faith. Being the seed of Abraham did not make them be what God called children. There is a vast difference between the natural seed and the children of God.
Ro 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [Abraham is the natural father of his seed, and he is the spiritual father of the children, not Adam]. See a mystery here: Eve is called the Mother of all living, but Adam is not called our father. Abraham is called the father of us all. Why is this?
Ga 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
Now that is enough Scripture to prove to the hardest person that the begetting of children is in the spirit, not in the flesh. Another thing I want to point out here is that you will never find that it said God is the God of Adam. God is spoken of as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob numerous times in the Word. He is also called the God of Jesus many times in the Word.
Now that I have proven to you by the Scriptures that the begotten son means the one through which the spiritual seed passes, let me show you why the genealogies in Matt. and Luke are so vastly different. Also this will prove to you that Adam is not in the spiritual line.
Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Now do you consider why this does not say Jesus is the son of Adam? Wonder why? Since almost everyone thinks that Adam still remained as a holy son of God, why is he not mentioned here? It is because the spiritual line only goes back to Abraham. Abraham is the father of us all, not Adam. In the natural flesh it goes back to Adam. But the spiritual seed starts with Abraham. Now the genealogy in Matt. is giving the SPIRITUAL line from Abraham to Jesus Christ. It is NOT giving the fleshly, natural line. That is given in Luke.
[cont.]
What is the Word of God calling begotten children? Is it speaking of one’s natural children? If so, then why does the Word say that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham? Of course in the flesh it does at times call natural children begotten. But for the most part, God is speaking of spiritual children.
One must learn to ‘hear’ the Word of God Spiritually in order to get the truth. For instance read this: Nu11:12 Have I conceived all this people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?
See that - a nursing father? Now in the natural, who ever heard of a nursing father? See this has to be spiritual. He is speaking of the father who feeds his children the Word or milk of God.
Isa49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath BEGOTTEN me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?
Now that is Jesus speaking. He is speaking of the NT Christians when he asked who has begotten me these. He lost the other children, which were the OT Law people. So this ‘begotten’ has to be spiritual. He is asking who converted all these people to me or in other words, who ‘fathered’ them in the gospel. Who brought them into the kingdom of God.
Ho 5:3 I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled. Ho 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD. Ho 5:5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.
Ho 5:6 They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them. [This is because God turned to the NT salvation. They were trying to still find God under law, but it can not be done.]
Ho 5:7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.
Ho 5:8 Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin.
Ho 5:9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be.
See that the above Scripture is speaking of Israel being defiled and a whore against God. This reaches down to the end when the church is in this same condition of whoredoms. See verse nine, he said among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be. He has shown all that is to come later, in those twelve tribes. So this condition is in the church today. They have begotten strange children. This means they are pretending to be the children of God, but they are in fact Satan’s children, for they were begotten of whoredom.
It is totally spiritual. If you try to understand this from a natural standpoint, you will miss it completely.
Now see this dealing treacherously against the LORD by begetting STRANGE children would have to be spiritual. It is saying these ‘churched’ people are not truly born of God, for they brought up another ‘plan’ of salvation other than that which God set up on the Day of Pentecost. There is no other means of salvation. If you try to convert children to God some other way, they are STRANGE children. They are not begotten of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now everyone, carefully read those verses. It is speaking of God and His Word. It is NOT speaking of Jesus. It said the WORD was with God and the Word was God. It did not say Jesus was with God and Jesus was God. It did not say that at all. When it said all things were made by him, it is speaking of God. All things were made by God and His Word.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Now I have written many message explaining the above verse. But people are fully indoctrinated with error that they cannot receive the truth. This is NOT speaking of the natural birth of Jesus as a human being. The Word was not made into a human person. We are not told that we must eat this human person in order to have eternal life. Go into Romans 1:3 and you will see that Jesus was only called the begotten Son on the day of his resurrection, not the day he was born as a baby. Now the resurrected Christ was in the image of God. The human baby was in the image of sinful man.
So the begotten Son of God was the risen Christ. This was the manchild of Jesus, not Mary. It was the inner man of Jesus brought forth out of the grave in perfection. This was when, where, and how the Word was made flesh. It is Spiritual Flesh. It is not natural flesh. Only in the glorification was Jesus in the image of God. Even then, He is not God. He is only given to be our God because of his total obedience to God. This man, raised from the dead by God himself, is the one and only human being which God himself begot in his own likeness and image. All the rest of us will be begotten by Jesus into the likeness and image of Jesus. God said he predestinated for us to become transformed into the image of his son.
See also that Jesus called us HIS children. We are begotten of Jesus. So to call Jesus God is to totally miss the fact that Jesus was the only human being God has ever or will ever give to set upon the throne of God and rule as God with all the same power and authority of God.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
See here that it said no man hath seen God at ANY TIME. So if Jesus were God, then this would be incorrect, would it not? But he said the only begotten Son has declared him. This is the resurrected Christ. HE is the only begotten Son of God. The rest of us will be raised up from the dead by Jesus Christ. Thus we are the begotten children of Jesus, and through Jesus we are sons of God.
Ac 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, Ac 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ac 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Now notice that he proves right here that the day God beget this Son was the day He raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus is declared to be the first BEGOTTEN from the dead. So this verse alone proves the ‘Begotten’ is not speaking of when Mary birthed Jesus. Was she the dead? Of course not. There is just too much proof of this in the Word of God for so many to be totally deceived about this.
1Cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
1Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Cor 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
Now there is full proof that the begetting is spiritual. See that Paul said they are his children for he begot them through the gospel. It was not natural, it was spiritual. See also that he called Timotheous his son. This is not natural, but spiritual, for we know that Timothy was not the natural son of Paul. Paul begot him in the gospel as a child of God.
Phm 1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
This verse also proves that Paul was speaking of converting them to Christ when he said I have begotten them. Surely you know that Paul did not naturally beget Onesimus while in his bonds?
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Now see this says that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham. Yet we know that Abraham also had Ishmael before he had Isaac. So then it has to be speaking of the SPIRITUAL child here. It is showing here that the begotten is speaking of the one to whom the spiritual seed of God would pass. See that Ishmael is not counted for the spiritual seed here. Sure Abraham beget Ishmael in the natural, but don’t you see here that it said Isaac was the only begotten Son of Abraham? Also Abraham had five other sons by Keturah after Sarah died. They are also not called his begotten son here. So this thing is showing that the spiritual seed passed through Isaac and none of the others. This verse alone PROVES that when it speaks of the ‘begotten’ son, it is showing the one through which the SPIRITUAL SEED PASSES. Learn this!
1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Now there is more proof that the begotten has to do with the spiritual birth and this is connected with the resurrection of Jesus. It is just solidly proven in all these Scriptures. This revelation shows that God, the Father, passed His Holy Seed of Life through Jesus Christ down to us! My, what glory!
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
There is more proof that the time Jesus was begotten was at the time of his resurrection. So it is speaking spiritual and not natural. It is not speaking of when Mary gave birth to Jesus. It is speaking of when God raised him from the DEAD.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
There is where, when, and how Jesus was set up by God to be worshipped as God. It does not mean that Jesus is actually God. It means that we now worship Jesus and this makes him be our God. He is also our Father in that he is the one who begets us to God. He passes his Holy Seed into us. So by this we are begotten of Jesus. We become sons of God through Jesus Christ.
Now for one more proof before I go into the genealogies.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Ro9:7 Neither, because they are the SEED OF ABRAHAM, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Now don’t you see here that all the natural seed of Abraham are not counted as his children. The Spiritual seed are the children. The promise to Abraham was to his seed through faith, therefore it passed only through those who came into grace or faith. Being the seed of Abraham did not make them be what God called children. There is a vast difference between the natural seed and the children of God.
Ro 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [Abraham is the natural father of his seed, and he is the spiritual father of the children, not Adam]. See a mystery here: Eve is called the Mother of all living, but Adam is not called our father. Abraham is called the father of us all. Why is this?
Ga 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
Now that is enough Scripture to prove to the hardest person that the begetting of children is in the spirit, not in the flesh. Another thing I want to point out here is that you will never find that it said God is the God of Adam. God is spoken of as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob numerous times in the Word. He is also called the God of Jesus many times in the Word.
Now that I have proven to you by the Scriptures that the begotten son means the one through which the spiritual seed passes, let me show you why the genealogies in Matt. and Luke are so vastly different. Also this will prove to you that Adam is not in the spiritual line.
Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Now do you consider why this does not say Jesus is the son of Adam? Wonder why? Since almost everyone thinks that Adam still remained as a holy son of God, why is he not mentioned here? It is because the spiritual line only goes back to Abraham. Abraham is the father of us all, not Adam. In the natural flesh it goes back to Adam. But the spiritual seed starts with Abraham. Now the genealogy in Matt. is giving the SPIRITUAL line from Abraham to Jesus Christ. It is NOT giving the fleshly, natural line. That is given in Luke.
[cont.]